Thanks to everyone for all your help on buying a used Jag xkr. I have decided to buy a 2012 -2015 used xkr. Does anyone know of a good Jag broker that could find a used xkr either from auction or one-two owners. There is more jag xks in Florida that any where. I would like to find a lower mileage one to two owner but maybe use either two to three brokers to keep a lookout if one comes up. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for all your help.


JDog

 

I've never heard of using a broker to buy a used car and would appreciate an education.

Why do you need a broker? What benefits do you get from a broker? How much does a broker cost? Do they charge on an hourly basis, flat fee, or a percentage of the purchase price? Why can't you do what a broker does and save his fee?

I just answered my own questions. I Googled "should I use a car broker" and found this article:
https://www.autolist.com/guides/car-brokers

A broker is not for me. I like the thrill of the hunt and doing my own due diligence. That's just my style.

 

I have helped broker the purchase of 2 XKs for forum members.
It helps enormously to have someone experienced with the car on your side to call out the lies you will inevitably be fed by used car salesmen.
One told us he performed all the maintenance items we asked him to. The car had never been moved.
But unfortunately there are no dedicated brokers for newer Jaguar XKs. There are for several other brands and models. Essentially people who specialize in them.

With all that in mind, you can get the same assistance here.
Go look at a car and post its details here, you will have the collective help.
I will gladly assist you if you need help negotiating with the sharks.

 

So is it that you dislike negotiating? Brokers were common for folks wanting to get the best price on a Brand new Honda Accord 20 years ago, but anymore, they have little influence as pricing is more transparent.

With regard to National search, any one of a dozen car buying websites will find cars. Car Gurus is a quick and easy one to use and you can narrow down your criteria and set up alerts. It will tell you if the price is fair based on other sales of similar vehicles which get's you in the ballpark. It will also tell you how long the car's been up for sale. With the XK, a year is not unusual. It's a niche market. But if it's been out there a year, the buyer is likely more motivated. Then check the same car out on a few other sites. If it's not advertised on a website, there's a reason and you prolly want to avoid it.

So now you've just done 90% of what a broker does. Next step is to review the service records. To me, this is more critical than anything. 100% of the service records please. Any dealer that tells you they won't share due to privacy "laws" or "concerns" is just BS. Two things - this isn't someone's medical records and, every single dealer under the sun can cross out prior owner's name before sending records. (A.K.A. De-identifying the data)

Next step, you have all the records. You've seen all the bugs found on your dream car already noted on this forum and you can now see work that was done and potential work needed.

So hop over the NADA (not KBB) and see what the car is worth. Use KBB if you have to but note, dealers buy and sell cars site unseen all the time and use NADA for pricing. Follow their lead.

You might find a broker willing to do all that but not likely. There's too much easy money to be had elsewhere. This much work is a PIA to a broker.

OK so you now have reviewed all the service records and put a value on it, you can request the user post high def pics and or video assuming long distance. When I bought my SV8 I had 2 video's and over 50 pics. A private broker will not likely do that but a good dealer will as would a motivated seller. (pics including the underside)

Send to dealer and request an inspection. Ask them to perform a CPO PPI even though the vehicle you picked won't qualify. This is now on your dime. To date you've only spent time. Expect to pay about $300. Once you have the inspection in hand, hop back over to NADA and confirm the price based on quality.

A broker will not view the car in person unless that car happens to be where the broker lives. So you have no one to trust but yourself. We can help because we all benefit from helping you and nothing to lose if you walk away.

 

I understand the OP's idea as Australia has similar logistical challenges to the US when it comes to buying cars.

A couple of things I've learned:
with a vin, Jags are easy to look up online, e.g. original build spec at carinfo.kiev.ua and 'official' service history through osh.jaguar.com (see outputs of these for the car I'm going to view next week in my Dynamic Pack comparison thread)
Also, the consistent advice here is spot on - if something makes you nervous, investigate or walk away.

I kind of expect that there's always a couple of things that will be wrong with a car when you purchase it and for the best part X150s seem to be really robust, reliable vehicles.

I hope you can enjoy the hunt too and find your ideal example

Cheers, Jon

 

Thanks to everyone for your feedback. I just thought that using a broker I could find more Jags xkrs to look at than I could on line. Let me tell you what I found. I am looking at a 2013 xkr with 63K miles. It is listed for 28K. After some research on line, I found that it sold in auction for 16500 in NJ. And now the dealership is selling it for 28 K in Texas. The more I look at it, missing radio knob, scratches on both sides of the car. Scrapes on rear bumper. It does not have a the Jaguar engine cover. Has the gunk all over the radio control knobs. You can tell it has not been taken care of. It kind of looks dogged out. This all can be fixed but what would you offer for the car to make it a good buy? or do you just keep looking?
It is interesting that the pictures on line show the rear bumper that is covered in dirt or is dirty. And the rest of the car has been washed. Trying to cover up the rear bumper marks. The dealership salesman told me about the rear bumper marks.


What happened to the knobs?
https://www.audinorthpark.com/used/J...6bd893abd1.htm
Is it worth going to a auction to find a good used xkr ? I have a good friend that owns a repair show. He told me that he can go to all of the auctions with me.

JDog

 

You are on the right track JDog.
This car differs from all others in one significant way- many owners prize their cars.
So why buy one that was used like a camry.
And you saw the 2 tell-tale signs, wear on the interior and why it was passed around to low grade dealers.

Look here is one that sold 4 days ago by you that was a much better car at half the price.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2010-Jaguar...p2047675.l2557

 

Really surprised an Audi dealer would buy a vehicle that is this banged up. Usually higher end dealers like to populate their lot with better specimens, perhaps because it was such a good deal they took a chance or planned on pushing it through their body shop if they can't trick somebody. The 2013 auction results from Manheim only show 2 since beginning of the year, this one with a 2.2 out of 5 condition rating (very low, usually end up smaller non-name brand dealers) and the second with similar mileage but a 4.9 condition rating that sold for $24,750 at Auction.

If you have the capability to view results you can look at 2012 and 2014 for price bracket comparison, XKR Coupes with 4 and above condition rating all went for much higher, those with lower ratings not so much!

For comparison 2012 Coupes with 4 and above rating and mileage at 20k, 30k, and 40k all went for $31k, $29.7k, and $28.5k respectively in Wholesale Auction. Definitely follow Q&C's advice, get yourself a better condition unit, if it is that beat on the outside sure it is poorly maintained on the inside.

 

There is some game afoot that I dont fully understand. I would not buy a used car from a dealer at any price.
Very exclusive Jaguar dealer in my town in the heart of a Corporate center. Only high net worth corporate clients, most Jag leases are bonuses for mid tier execs.
2 used XKR there, total dogs, brought in from rust belt states 1000 miles away. And XKs are very common here.

My guess is that dealerships are struggling, used car and service is the only place they make money and need to buy things 33% lower than market value. And bottom of the barrel is where they have to go.

 

Yep like any other car, buyer beware. You need to do your due diligence and be patient!!!! There's nothing magical about these cars (until you drive them). Buy it with the same scrutiny you would any other car. Take your time and don't over think it. You don't need the forum's help on that car. It hasn't been well cared for. The right one will come along.

 

Agreed - I was looking at two until recently - one appeared to much higher spec, but when I actually got the VIN and looked it up, it didn't have the Dynamic Pack he claimed it did and there were loads of services missing, hadn't even been serviced by the original owner until around 20k km's - scratched from my list immediately (what else is he hiding or isn't as it seems...)

 

I'd avoid an XKR going to auction. The dealer who took the car in decided it was not worth selling retail. You should be able to find one just searching car sites and craigslist consolidating websites. Have the car inspected by a JLR or indy in the locale the car is located. I have done the similar of buying cars sight unseen several times.

 

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