I found my old short shifter that I'd not realized I uninstalled from my 2016 when Jag got me my 2019, and was going to install it.

I think everything is the same? BUT... the threaded shifter from 2016 seems to have gone to a press and fit style of attachment mechanism, and lo and behold...
I won't be able to get the knob back on.

I'm only asking because I want to make sure that nothing else changed, and installing it means I simply need a new "old" knob for the shifter? But of course everything else will be fine.
Any recs on a new knobby are welcome. =)


And yes it's time for an interior detail I KNOW I KNOW.

 

I think that's all correct. The 2016 did not have a threaded knob. As I recall, the piece in the shift boot goes onto the piece in your left hand, than the knob goes on top of it all.

EDIT: Do you have the instruction sheet that came with the U-shifter?

 

I do indeed. But now I actually have to measure the throw because along with the new slip-on, it was suggested that maybe the throw is shorter already. I'm about to measure yay

 

Measure the distance from 3rd to 4th. I'll do the same on my car, whose shifter was one of the first to be Unhinged.

EDIT: roughly 3 3/4" longitudinal movement from 3rd to 4th. I also measured roughly 1 1/2" between the front of the know and the rear of the emergency flasher switch, or about 2 1/2" to the base of the red triangle.

 

Well this is pretty exciting. I'm probably the first confirmation on this little lost detail.

The 2019 manual transmission shifted from a threaded gear knob to a simpler push configuration.

It seems absolutely nothing in the transmission chain has changed other than the gear knot.

There was some speculation with that change, that they may have shortened the throw from the 4 in in the 2016 down to 3 in in the 2019.

I'm happy to confirm the short shifter is still an excellent addition in all F-Type manual transmissions, because the 2019 throw is still 4 inches from 3rd gear to 4th gear!!

Now I'm going to drive around with a potato is my knob for a bit. Lol, that's for my off-roading days. I think I'll use a tennis ball. It's not immediately clear where I will find my replacement so if anyone has fun ideas I'm all ears of a new knob for this knob!

Thanks Lizzardo, and always Unhingd!!

 

One of us is confused and I'm pretty sure it's you.

The shift knob you're showing is just like that from my 2016, and matches the 2017 version that Valerie has. I know of none that have a threaded knob and if memory serves, I checked that before sending my spare to Valerie that there is only one type.

Always glad to help. In this particular case, have you removed the panel with the shifter boot to look at what's underneath? That should prove illuminating.

 

Here's a post from the original short-shifter project thread that includes some measurements I made, probably more accurately than what I did this morning. You can tell by the fact that I chose metric units

Also, I was trying to provide something accurate enough to use for him to use as he was making engineering decisions, hence measurements on both cars so he could calibrate against his own measurements.

 

I'm always confused. But i am so, SO out of my depth here, so take any of this with a grain: Threaded is totally wrong. Sorry. Brain gear went wrong. I think it's long "barrel bayonet" or "keyed", but that's where I am wandering lost in a forest. LOL

But essentially... the 2019 shifter stock is different than the short shifter, but you're saying that the knob on the lower part of that picture will seat on the short shifter?
You just shove it on there? I mean, the stalks are definitely different...

I was gonna use a potato for real and for fun. LOL

 

Which instructions do you have? In your picture, the piece in your left hand is only visible once you remove the shift boot and the upper part of the shaft (the piece sticking up through the shifter boot).

It's the lower shaft that is a bit of a pain to install. I changed it by myself in the driveway, with the car on stands. A lift would help (more height). An extra set of hands would help for the one tricky bolt, which is reportedly not tricky if you drop the exhaust. Am I cheap to have insisted on doing it myself? Maybe stubborn? Honestly, mostly the latter. I can still say that all modifications were done by me (excluding the torsen; tip o' the hat to @Onca Engineering for that), although I still use the dealer for maintenance. That's probably due to also being lazy.

Stubborn, lazy, and semi-cheap, but I also have a sense of humor. The potato knob would be amusing. I'm a DEVO fan so a Spud Shifter appeals to me, although I expect cleanup might be a problem.

 

Hey guys!
Thanks for the plug on the Quaife ATB. @lizzardo I hope you are well.
The above pictures look like my shift knob and shifter rod from my 2017 V6 MT.
Just ping @Onca Engineering if you would like me to take measurements from my car.
Drive well,
Herman

 

To round this out, I'd love to get this guy to craft me something:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/7262765...ear-shift-knob




In the meantime, this replaces part T2R20055, and should look fine in black with grey lettering
https://core-shifters.com/products/6...40991337611382

 

Sure, but it's no potato.

I got the carbon fiber Jaguar accessory know for my birthday a few years back. By "got for my birthday" I mean that I got it as a gift from myself on that occasion. There was no line of people eagerly waiting to spoil me, so I had to step up.

 

I am no mechanic. But I am also not wise in the way of much of any of this, so I own the confusion, but WAIT A MINUTE... wtah...

So I'm not doing this, a patient and fun mechanic is doing this. old british sports car repair, his hold music is Speed Racer. 3 Generations of fam.

So, he pulls everything. Then, he pulls a cover off the shifter. I am SO CONFUSED. REMEMBER I AM CONFUSED AND OKAY WITH THAT... but what?

Did I buy a second short shifter? My confused brain is that I am looking at a dealer installed short shifter on my 2019 prior to taking receipt, and they put on an extender to put on the modern knob?
I know I *DID NOT* buy a second short shifter. But that's what it looks like... looks like I am looking at the IDENTICAL short shifter?

So, like the end of Clue:



So, post 2016 model Volvo flywheel and clutch, and Jaguar machining a proper spec OEM Jaguar F-Type flywheel and clutch, they altered the shifter shaft to be a shorter throw...
And then put an extender over it, resulting in it being the same throw as 2016???

So, in the end, I didn't need to pull the extender off at all, but just put this new ball that will sit lower on the stalk... so my short shifter is in there from Jaguar, having made OEM changes to the stalk...
and now I've an aftermarket short shifter I can sell?

Again, hand hold my confusion?

I was in disbelief OR CONFUSED... so you can see the UNHINGD short shifter in his hand, the installed shifter without the extender, and the extender in the cup holder or in my hand. LOL What?

 

To the best of my knowledge, no. All 6MT models had the same shifter components. There are three main pieces:

• The knob. No mystery here. It's a knob.
• What you are calling the "extender." As I recall, this holds the weight (to give a solid feel). There is a rubber sleeve between this and the lever to damp vibrations.
• The lever itself. This is where the "short" happens. The length of the bit below the ball that bolts to the linkage is different than stock. This means that the linkage moves a different amount for a given movement of the knob.

Your confusion should keep its hands to itself. My own confusion has been know to get jealous and feel threatened.

The part below the extender is what you need to swap out. If the top looks exactly like the original it may be that your short shifter was made from an original. Lemme 'splain ...

The original UNHINGED Short Shifter was a group buy, with Lance doing all the considerable legwork and having a batch made. These were machined from billet, but when they were gone, they were gone. My recollection is that the manufacturer was not interested in making more because they would rather make money, and that wasn't happening with such low demand. Lance then did even more legwork and found a local welder who devised a way to modify the original to alter the throw. I'd go get my original from where it might be stored to give measurements, but I donated it so that he'd have stock to ship out, pending return of the original to keep the Circle of (Three Pedal) Life going.

Somewhere in there VAP picked it up. If you have a modified original, the part you can see from above will look exactly like the short-shifter you have.

Does this help?

 

I might be able to get Lance (aka Unhingd) to chime in, if you think it’s useful.

 

It's useful. I'm realizing we're all old friends, you've already judged me for a broken 2016 and a swamped 2019, so I'm definitely the only 2 F-Type 3 Engine person, and now there's literally only dozens of us still active. LOL I was going to ping him, but I do thing Lizzardo nailed it... it's the part below, etc.

BUT... without swapping it out, it certainly, almost definitely, theoretically COMPLETELY looked the same size as Lance/Unhingd short shifter.

 

Do you remember if you got one of the original batch or one of the later modified stock shifters? If it's a later one, everything you can see in any of those pictures will look identical. The difference is at the bottom, but maybe The Unhingd One would be able to spot the difference in the piece you've got.

 

@DJS, thanks for getting me involved in this discussion. First of all, the geometry and design of the group buy shifters is dead identical to that of the modified OEM shifters. The only difference is that the group buy shifters were machined from billet aluminum and the others were made with steel and molded plastic. The lower rod below the pivot ball on the OEM was extended to increase the linkage travel for the same input at the shift knob.
The total lengths of shifter plus the top extender would have to be cut down to below the top of the shift boot to provide that same 3 inch throw, so not really feasible.
This is the first example I have seen where the short shifter wasn’t a plug and play. Is it possible that an aftermarket extender was installed on the 2019 to accept a threaded knob? Closeup pics of the top of the shifter and the entire extender would be very helpful in resolving this issue.

 

@Uncle Fishbits , Are you missing the small round rubber isolator that snaps over the 4 lugs at the top of the shifter?

 

There are only a few more photos, and it's likely not helpful.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/i2Lz5wTXMkZ52yMj9

I am not missing the ring at the top of the shifter, but don't think it connects anymore or would fit over it?

I do really love the shifter tho.

This was interesting, to say the least.