Replacement for the awful OE Lug Nuts/Bolts?
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07-09-2015, 04:49 AM
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01-16-2016, 04:42 PM
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Lug Nuts 101
Some of the following is from my review on Amazon that I posted today.
I've read horror stories on this Forum about problems with the OEM Jaguar 2-piece lug nuts, so I decided to replace mine with 1-piece aftermarket lug nuts. After considerable research, I concluded that Gorilla was the best brand and found this set on Amazon: I ordered 2 sets and they were delivered yesterday.
I bought them because they were inexpensive at only $29.52 delivered for a full set including locks for all 4 wheels and, most importantly, the Amazon website said they fit both my 2009 XKR and 2013 XJ. In all fairness to Amazon, that website also states: "The information provided is ONLY a guide. To insure proper lug nut, lug bolt or wheel lock selection, refer to your current lug nut to determine correct lug nut style and thread size for your vehicle." I don't remember if that disclaimer was there when I placed my order but, if it was, I probably didn't read it.
When I started this quest, I knew almost nothing about lug nuts. Now, after much research, I realize that they come in all sorts of sizes, shapes, lengths, and styles, open end and closed end, right hand and left hand thread, 3 types of seats, and more. The type of seat is very important, because that's where the compatibility of the lug nut with the wheel comes into play. Wrong lug nut and the mounting hole gets chewed up and your wheel is toast. Just because the lug nut is the right thread, doesn't mean it's the right nut. Using the wrong lug nut is unsafe.
So... the first thing you should do if you're thinking about buying new lug nuts from Amazon is to remove one old lug nut from your car and compare it to the pictures on Amazon. If I had done so, I wouldn't be writing this. Fortunately, returns are easy and free on Amazon.
These Gorilla Automotive 91733 Acorn Bulge Chrome Lug Nuts are high quality and I would give them 5 stars, except for the fact that the seat is incorrect for my cars. Amazon's website says it fits my late model Jaguars, but Amazon is wrong; it is not the proper lug nut for OEM Jaguar wheels. This lug nut has an "acorn seat" with no washers; the OEM lug nuts have built-in washers and are called "flat" or "mag seat". See the attached photos, in particular the one that shows the differences between seat types - (1) Acorn, also called Conical or Tapered; (2)/Mag, also called Flat; and (3) Ball, also called Radius.
One other thing - be sure to keep one set of OEM lug nuts and the OEM socket wrench and tools in your car, since you might need them for your spare wheel/tire in case you get a flat. New aftermarket lug nuts might not work with your spare.
Compare the OEM lug nut (the larger one, with the washer) to the Gorilla 91733 lug nut - not even close.
After removing one OEM lug nut and reinstalling it using the factory supplied tools and my torque wrench (92 ft.-lbs.), I concluded that it's not worth buying one piece Gorilla lug nuts. All of my OEM lug nuts are in good shape because I never let a wheel tech use an impact wrench to remove or reinstall those lug nuts; hand tools only. I suspect that the primary cause of damage to OEM lug nuts is the use of impact wrenches.
Nevertheless, if you want to replace your OEM 2-piece Jaguar lug nuts with the correct 1-piece lug nuts, Gorilla makes a set that appears to be very similar to the OEM lug nuts with washers (mag seat) specifically for OEM Jaguar wheels, namely, Gorilla Part Number 73138J. Amazon doesn't carry it, but I found it on eBay for a set of 20 for under $100: 20 Gorilla Jaguar 12x1 5 OE Stock Factory Wheels Rims Mag Lug Nuts Chrome | eBay
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Stuart
I've read horror stories on this Forum about problems with the OEM Jaguar 2-piece lug nuts, so I decided to replace mine with 1-piece aftermarket lug nuts. After considerable research, I concluded that Gorilla was the best brand and found this set on Amazon: I ordered 2 sets and they were delivered yesterday.
I bought them because they were inexpensive at only $29.52 delivered for a full set including locks for all 4 wheels and, most importantly, the Amazon website said they fit both my 2009 XKR and 2013 XJ. In all fairness to Amazon, that website also states: "The information provided is ONLY a guide. To insure proper lug nut, lug bolt or wheel lock selection, refer to your current lug nut to determine correct lug nut style and thread size for your vehicle." I don't remember if that disclaimer was there when I placed my order but, if it was, I probably didn't read it.
When I started this quest, I knew almost nothing about lug nuts. Now, after much research, I realize that they come in all sorts of sizes, shapes, lengths, and styles, open end and closed end, right hand and left hand thread, 3 types of seats, and more. The type of seat is very important, because that's where the compatibility of the lug nut with the wheel comes into play. Wrong lug nut and the mounting hole gets chewed up and your wheel is toast. Just because the lug nut is the right thread, doesn't mean it's the right nut. Using the wrong lug nut is unsafe.
So... the first thing you should do if you're thinking about buying new lug nuts from Amazon is to remove one old lug nut from your car and compare it to the pictures on Amazon. If I had done so, I wouldn't be writing this. Fortunately, returns are easy and free on Amazon.
These Gorilla Automotive 91733 Acorn Bulge Chrome Lug Nuts are high quality and I would give them 5 stars, except for the fact that the seat is incorrect for my cars. Amazon's website says it fits my late model Jaguars, but Amazon is wrong; it is not the proper lug nut for OEM Jaguar wheels. This lug nut has an "acorn seat" with no washers; the OEM lug nuts have built-in washers and are called "flat" or "mag seat". See the attached photos, in particular the one that shows the differences between seat types - (1) Acorn, also called Conical or Tapered; (2)/Mag, also called Flat; and (3) Ball, also called Radius.
One other thing - be sure to keep one set of OEM lug nuts and the OEM socket wrench and tools in your car, since you might need them for your spare wheel/tire in case you get a flat. New aftermarket lug nuts might not work with your spare.
Compare the OEM lug nut (the larger one, with the washer) to the Gorilla 91733 lug nut - not even close.
After removing one OEM lug nut and reinstalling it using the factory supplied tools and my torque wrench (92 ft.-lbs.), I concluded that it's not worth buying one piece Gorilla lug nuts. All of my OEM lug nuts are in good shape because I never let a wheel tech use an impact wrench to remove or reinstall those lug nuts; hand tools only. I suspect that the primary cause of damage to OEM lug nuts is the use of impact wrenches.
Nevertheless, if you want to replace your OEM 2-piece Jaguar lug nuts with the correct 1-piece lug nuts, Gorilla makes a set that appears to be very similar to the OEM lug nuts with washers (mag seat) specifically for OEM Jaguar wheels, namely, Gorilla Part Number 73138J. Amazon doesn't carry it, but I found it on eBay for a set of 20 for under $100: 20 Gorilla Jaguar 12x1 5 OE Stock Factory Wheels Rims Mag Lug Nuts Chrome | eBay
If this was helpful, please press
at the bottom right.Stuart
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07-09-2015, 09:01 AM
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01-09-2016, 12:14 PM
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Was a top priority for me after my 07 XK arrived. I checked and OEM are still on the car. I've ordered the replacements on eBay. 20 for $20. They will suffice on the Carelia wheels.
When I had my 05 Super V8, I felt one of the caps starting to strip when I was removing the wheels for a brake job, then another. I just kept the car on the lift until the replacements arrived.
When I had my 05 Super V8, I felt one of the caps starting to strip when I was removing the wheels for a brake job, then another. I just kept the car on the lift until the replacements arrived.
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01-09-2016, 12:37 PM
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01-16-2016, 04:42 PM
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Lug Nuts 101
Some of the following is from my review on Amazon that I posted today.
I've read horror stories on this Forum about problems with the OEM Jaguar 2-piece lug nuts, so I decided to replace mine with 1-piece aftermarket lug nuts. After considerable research, I concluded that Gorilla was the best brand and found this set on Amazon: I ordered 2 sets and they were delivered yesterday.
I bought them because they were inexpensive at only $29.52 delivered for a full set including locks for all 4 wheels and, most importantly, the Amazon website said they fit both my 2009 XKR and 2013 XJ. In all fairness to Amazon, that website also states: "The information provided is ONLY a guide. To insure proper lug nut, lug bolt or wheel lock selection, refer to your current lug nut to determine correct lug nut style and thread size for your vehicle." I don't remember if that disclaimer was there when I placed my order but, if it was, I probably didn't read it.
When I started this quest, I knew almost nothing about lug nuts. Now, after much research, I realize that they come in all sorts of sizes, shapes, lengths, and styles, open end and closed end, right hand and left hand thread, 3 types of seats, and more. The type of seat is very important, because that's where the compatibility of the lug nut with the wheel comes into play. Wrong lug nut and the mounting hole gets chewed up and your wheel is toast. Just because the lug nut is the right thread, doesn't mean it's the right nut. Using the wrong lug nut is unsafe.
So... the first thing you should do if you're thinking about buying new lug nuts from Amazon is to remove one old lug nut from your car and compare it to the pictures on Amazon. If I had done so, I wouldn't be writing this. Fortunately, returns are easy and free on Amazon.
These Gorilla Automotive 91733 Acorn Bulge Chrome Lug Nuts are high quality and I would give them 5 stars, except for the fact that the seat is incorrect for my cars. Amazon's website says it fits my late model Jaguars, but Amazon is wrong; it is not the proper lug nut for OEM Jaguar wheels. This lug nut has an "acorn seat" with no washers; the OEM lug nuts have built-in washers and are called "flat" or "mag seat". See the attached photos, in particular the one that shows the differences between seat types - (1) Acorn, also called Conical or Tapered; (2)/Mag, also called Flat; and (3) Ball, also called Radius.
One other thing - be sure to keep one set of OEM lug nuts and the OEM socket wrench and tools in your car, since you might need them for your spare wheel/tire in case you get a flat. New aftermarket lug nuts might not work with your spare.
Compare the OEM lug nut (the larger one, with the washer) to the Gorilla 91733 lug nut - not even close.
After removing one OEM lug nut and reinstalling it using the factory supplied tools and my torque wrench (92 ft.-lbs.), I concluded that it's not worth buying one piece Gorilla lug nuts. All of my OEM lug nuts are in good shape because I never let a wheel tech use an impact wrench to remove or reinstall those lug nuts; hand tools only. I suspect that the primary cause of damage to OEM lug nuts is the use of impact wrenches.
Nevertheless, if you want to replace your OEM 2-piece Jaguar lug nuts with the correct 1-piece lug nuts, Gorilla makes a set that appears to be very similar to the OEM lug nuts with washers (mag seat) specifically for OEM Jaguar wheels, namely, Gorilla Part Number 73138J. Amazon doesn't carry it, but I found it on eBay for a set of 20 for under $100: 20 Gorilla Jaguar 12x1 5 OE Stock Factory Wheels Rims Mag Lug Nuts Chrome | eBay
If this was helpful, please press at the bottom right.
Stuart
I've read horror stories on this Forum about problems with the OEM Jaguar 2-piece lug nuts, so I decided to replace mine with 1-piece aftermarket lug nuts. After considerable research, I concluded that Gorilla was the best brand and found this set on Amazon: I ordered 2 sets and they were delivered yesterday.
I bought them because they were inexpensive at only $29.52 delivered for a full set including locks for all 4 wheels and, most importantly, the Amazon website said they fit both my 2009 XKR and 2013 XJ. In all fairness to Amazon, that website also states: "The information provided is ONLY a guide. To insure proper lug nut, lug bolt or wheel lock selection, refer to your current lug nut to determine correct lug nut style and thread size for your vehicle." I don't remember if that disclaimer was there when I placed my order but, if it was, I probably didn't read it.
When I started this quest, I knew almost nothing about lug nuts. Now, after much research, I realize that they come in all sorts of sizes, shapes, lengths, and styles, open end and closed end, right hand and left hand thread, 3 types of seats, and more. The type of seat is very important, because that's where the compatibility of the lug nut with the wheel comes into play. Wrong lug nut and the mounting hole gets chewed up and your wheel is toast. Just because the lug nut is the right thread, doesn't mean it's the right nut. Using the wrong lug nut is unsafe.
So... the first thing you should do if you're thinking about buying new lug nuts from Amazon is to remove one old lug nut from your car and compare it to the pictures on Amazon. If I had done so, I wouldn't be writing this. Fortunately, returns are easy and free on Amazon.
These Gorilla Automotive 91733 Acorn Bulge Chrome Lug Nuts are high quality and I would give them 5 stars, except for the fact that the seat is incorrect for my cars. Amazon's website says it fits my late model Jaguars, but Amazon is wrong; it is not the proper lug nut for OEM Jaguar wheels. This lug nut has an "acorn seat" with no washers; the OEM lug nuts have built-in washers and are called "flat" or "mag seat". See the attached photos, in particular the one that shows the differences between seat types - (1) Acorn, also called Conical or Tapered; (2)/Mag, also called Flat; and (3) Ball, also called Radius.
One other thing - be sure to keep one set of OEM lug nuts and the OEM socket wrench and tools in your car, since you might need them for your spare wheel/tire in case you get a flat. New aftermarket lug nuts might not work with your spare.
Compare the OEM lug nut (the larger one, with the washer) to the Gorilla 91733 lug nut - not even close.
After removing one OEM lug nut and reinstalling it using the factory supplied tools and my torque wrench (92 ft.-lbs.), I concluded that it's not worth buying one piece Gorilla lug nuts. All of my OEM lug nuts are in good shape because I never let a wheel tech use an impact wrench to remove or reinstall those lug nuts; hand tools only. I suspect that the primary cause of damage to OEM lug nuts is the use of impact wrenches.
Nevertheless, if you want to replace your OEM 2-piece Jaguar lug nuts with the correct 1-piece lug nuts, Gorilla makes a set that appears to be very similar to the OEM lug nuts with washers (mag seat) specifically for OEM Jaguar wheels, namely, Gorilla Part Number 73138J. Amazon doesn't carry it, but I found it on eBay for a set of 20 for under $100: 20 Gorilla Jaguar 12x1 5 OE Stock Factory Wheels Rims Mag Lug Nuts Chrome | eBay
If this was helpful, please press
at the bottom right.Stuart
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01-16-2016, 05:04 PM
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Using anti-seize on wheel studs and lug nuts is an old-school myth and is neither necessary nor recommended. Here's what Permatex says: FAQs
"Does Permatex® suggest applying anti-seize to lubricate lug nuts when installing or tightening the nuts?
Permatex® does not recommend the use of any anti-seize product on wheel studs. Many people have used anti-seize for this applications, however, there is the potential for over-torqueing and therefore, higher clamp loads and potentially dangerous bolt stretch. Because of the lubricity of anti-seize, there is a tendency to over-tighten because of the ease with which the nut will bear down on the lug. For this reason, even if you try to torque the nuts to factory specs, the clamp load may become too high depending on the type of bolt, size and manufacturer."
Your car, your decision. But I can understand why someone who lives in a salty environment, such as a winter climate with road salt or along the coast, would want to use a very small amount of anti-seize on the thread to prevent corrosion. Stuart
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01-16-2016, 06:31 PM
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The specs on these are lower in the listing. The fit is the same as OEM. Mag style. The only change is the socket size so you'll want to add 13/16 socket and breaker bar/ratchet in with your spare.
20pc OE Mag Style Lug Nuts with Washer 12x1 5 Toyota Lexus Chrome Silver | eBay
Dorman sells their brand also.
20pc OE Mag Style Lug Nuts with Washer 12x1 5 Toyota Lexus Chrome Silver | eBay
Dorman sells their brand also.
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#9
03-03-2016, 08:42 PM
Used lug nuts? (but not from an XK)
I happened to be at the 'salvage yard' looking for a glass mirror replacement for my Buick, when I thought perhaps their is a JAG here that I could take off some lug nuts in case I strip mine. Counter said $1.63/nut, which seemed rather high to me. Nevertheless, they had a few JAGS (X -type, from ~ 2002 or so. [lkqpickyourpart.com].
So, are JAG lug nuts standard?
I bought 1 to compare, but I haven't had a chance to remove one from Ruby (2010 XK) and compare.
~wrair
So, are JAG lug nuts standard?
I bought 1 to compare, but I haven't had a chance to remove one from Ruby (2010 XK) and compare.
~wrair
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03-03-2016, 10:46 PM
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I happened to be at the 'salvage yard' looking for a glass mirror replacement for my Buick, when I thought perhaps their is a JAG here that I could take off some lug nuts in case I strip mine. Counter said $1.63/nut, which seemed rather high to me. Nevertheless, they had a few JAGS (X -type, from ~ 2002 or so. [lkqpickyourpart.com].
So, are JAG lug nuts standard?
I bought 1 to compare, but I haven't had a chance to remove one from Ruby (2010 XK) and compare.
~wrair
So, are JAG lug nuts standard?
I bought 1 to compare, but I haven't had a chance to remove one from Ruby (2010 XK) and compare.
~wrair
I think they're standard and understand your wanting to buy 2 or 3 for $1.63 each to keep as spares. At first glance that appears to make sense.
But why spend $5 for used 2-piece lug nuts when for $20 you can buy a brand new set of 20 1-piece lug nuts, as Sean Wagstaff pointed out, and never have to worry about them stripping? 20pc OE Mag Style Lug Nuts with Washer 12x1 5 Toyota Lexus Chrome Silver | eBay
What do you do if you get a flat and while trying to remove that wheel one of the OEM nut strips - the outer shell spins around the inner nut, so the nut won't come off? How do you get that wheel off? I don't want to ever be in that nightmare situation, and have decided to replace all my OEM nuts with the $20 Toyota nuts - cheap "peace of mind" insurance.
Compared to the $100 set of Gorilla Jaguar #73138J lug nuts in my post #6, above, those $20 Toyota lug nuts appear to be a real bargain even though you need a new 13/16" socket. Thanks, Sean, for pointing them out to us.
Stuart
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wrair,
I think they're standard and understand your wanting to buy 2 or 3 for $1.63 each to keep as spares. At first glance that appears to make sense.
But why spend $5 for used 2-piece lug nuts when for $20 you can buy a brand new set of 20 1-piece lug nuts, as Sean Wagstaff pointed out, and never have to worry about them stripping? 20pc OE Mag Style Lug Nuts with Washer 12x1 5 Toyota Lexus Chrome Silver | eBay
What do you do if you get a flat and while trying to remove that wheel one of the OEM nut strips - the outer shell spins around the inner nut, so the nut won't come off? How do you get that wheel off? I don't want to ever be in that nightmare situation, and have decided to replace all my OEM nuts with the $20 Toyota nuts - cheap "peace of mind" insurance.
Compared to the $100 set of Gorilla Jaguar #73138J lug nuts in my post #6, above, those $20 Toyota lug nuts appear to be a real bargain even though you need a new 13/16" socket. Thanks, Sean, for pointing them out to us.
Stuart
I think they're standard and understand your wanting to buy 2 or 3 for $1.63 each to keep as spares. At first glance that appears to make sense.
But why spend $5 for used 2-piece lug nuts when for $20 you can buy a brand new set of 20 1-piece lug nuts, as Sean Wagstaff pointed out, and never have to worry about them stripping? 20pc OE Mag Style Lug Nuts with Washer 12x1 5 Toyota Lexus Chrome Silver | eBay
What do you do if you get a flat and while trying to remove that wheel one of the OEM nut strips - the outer shell spins around the inner nut, so the nut won't come off? How do you get that wheel off? I don't want to ever be in that nightmare situation, and have decided to replace all my OEM nuts with the $20 Toyota nuts - cheap "peace of mind" insurance.
Compared to the $100 set of Gorilla Jaguar #73138J lug nuts in my post #6, above, those $20 Toyota lug nuts appear to be a real bargain even though you need a new 13/16" socket. Thanks, Sean, for pointing them out to us.
Stuart
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03-04-2016, 05:02 AM
I can never work out what American members do with their 'lug' nuts. 
Across every model forum you can read endless posts about stripped caps and fitting alternative aftermarket nuts. Almost exclusively, these posts are from US members even though we have a large International membership.
I have all the wheels off my cars twice a year for a thorough clean and inspection and have never had a wheel nut fail. It's been the same from my first E-Type over forty years ago through owning examples of most intervening models of Jaguar to my current XK. If they were going to corrode and fail then they certainly would in our UK climate!
However, I do remove/refit them by hand with a spider and torque them up to the correct setting. Taught this many years ago when I worked for a Jaguar Independent and still do the same to this day.
Are you all using air guns on the wheels?
Graham
Across every model forum you can read endless posts about stripped caps and fitting alternative aftermarket nuts. Almost exclusively, these posts are from US members even though we have a large International membership.
I have all the wheels off my cars twice a year for a thorough clean and inspection and have never had a wheel nut fail. It's been the same from my first E-Type over forty years ago through owning examples of most intervening models of Jaguar to my current XK. If they were going to corrode and fail then they certainly would in our UK climate!
However, I do remove/refit them by hand with a spider and torque them up to the correct setting. Taught this many years ago when I worked for a Jaguar Independent and still do the same to this day.
Are you all using air guns on the wheels?
Graham
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03-04-2016, 07:17 AM
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Most tire shops and indie's use air gun to remove and install lugs. Some of the better shops use torque extensions for the proper requirements of the car. The other problem is the use of standard sockets instead of the ones designed for lug nuts. I haven't had an issues yet but I remove my tires and take them to the tire outlet to get them changed or fixed. I also remove and install using coated sockets and correct torques. I don't know what the failure mechanism is but I would suspect it might be to much torque , wrong size/type socket and corrosion . So I guess the best advice I can give is keep your nuts clean. 
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03-04-2016, 09:20 AM
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Most tire shops and indie's use air gun to remove and install lugs. Some of the better shops use torque extensions for the proper requirements of the car. The other problem is the use of standard sockets instead of the ones designed for lug nuts. I haven't had an issues yet but I remove my tires and take them to the tire outlet to get them changed or fixed. I also remove and install using coated sockets and correct torques. I don't know what the failure mechanism is but I would suspect it might be to much torque , wrong size/type socket and corrosion . So I guess the best advice I can give is keep your nuts clean.
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03-04-2016, 10:49 AM
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Just another observation that may or may not be causing a problem. The lug nuts are 19mm but can be mistaken for 3/4" . So some mechanics might think and use a 3/4" socket because the fit is very close. That combined with an air gun would have a tendency to stress/wear the hex corners and eventually either round them of and loosen the shell of the nut. Just my thoughts.
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03-04-2016, 04:36 PM
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Best Jaguar Ad of All Time!
From the Dudley Moore movie "Crazy People":
In the above scene, Dudley Moore, the salesman, is explaining to Paul Reiser, the buyer, that this ad tells Jaguar owners to always have their lug nuts removed and tightened by hand, preferably by a woman with a soft touch, in order to keep them like new.
Compared to an impact wrench, a hand job beats it every time!
From the Dudley Moore movie "Crazy People":
In the above scene, Dudley Moore, the salesman, is explaining to Paul Reiser, the buyer, that this ad tells Jaguar owners to always have their lug nuts removed and tightened by hand, preferably by a woman with a soft touch, in order to keep them like new.
Compared to an impact wrench, a hand job beats it every time!
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03-04-2016, 06:15 PM
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If you are looking for a solid replacement nut here is one.
Gorilla Automotive Products - Lug Nuts, Wheel Locks, Auto Security, Wheel Accessories
Gorilla Automotive Products - Lug Nuts, Wheel Locks, Auto Security, Wheel Accessories
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03-04-2016, 06:37 PM
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on eBay for $18.04 delivered: Replacement for Jack 2004 2010 Toyota Sienna Spare Tire Lug Wrench New | eBay 21mm socket fits the Toyota lug nuts in my post #10, above.Total cost for 20 new lug nuts and wrench $37.94.