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I could give a crap about any fees. I come up with a bottom line and shotgun it until it gets a bite. Every dealer can figure out where they can put their dealer “fee” on their own.
The only dealer fee i end up paying is something like $299-$350.Anything more than that is unheard of
when my top fell through like that with the back window ungluing, you gone end up replacing the whole top cause idk if any shop have the right tools to glue it back on for you. ...
You don't have to replace the top, you can fix it yourself. Reattaching the rear window to the canvas is an easy, DIY project that costs well under $100 for the special clamps, masking tape, and the right adhesive: Rhino Glue. I know because I did it years ago and it's still holding. Follow the instructions in my post #105, but use Rhino Glue (my post #121) instead of the 3M adhesive because it failed to hold. The entire thread is worth reading: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...ble-top-97478/
Now you know what to do when the window in your new top separates from the canvas.
When I bought my XK8, I had already looked at it and wanted it but didn't let anyone know. The next day I walked in, told the salesman I'll give you $XXXX cash out the door, take it or don't". (it wasn't a horrible offer, just a good amount below his asking). Sales guy said "let me ask the boss", who just happened to walk past that instant, so he did. Boss man thought for a second, said "Sure, but as-is, I'll not do anything to it". Cool. Anyway, the sales guy wrote it up and it was like seven bucks over what I offered, and I pointed that out. The guy stepped out for about three minutes and came back with a tenner and handed it to me. Said "We good?" We were good.
I think Moses' suggestion of $14K is more in line. These forums will provide you with immense help in getting an idea of what to expect with a higher mileage Jag. If you are ok with the cosmetics and mechanical repairs/maintenance then it could be a good candidate for you. There are not many of these cars out there so it could take time to find the "right" one. A couple of years ago I had considered buying a "cheaper" used XK vert just for fun with similar mileage and became frustrated really quickly after going in person to see them and finding they looked like they had been beat to death. I still think it is better to spend a couple thousand dollars more now for a lower mileage, cleaner example than buy a cheaper one that is going to end up needing several thousand dollars in repairs.
This is the 1 thing I been trying to figure out for an incredibly good long while now and i'm starting to think the VERY 1ST owners who buys the Jaguars new off the lot ARE THE REASON Jaguars got such a huge depreciation value after it gets sold to the 1st owner cause of how HORRIBLE they take care of them.I mean am I lying here?The reason I say this cause I got proof from every used Jaguar I bought and it ALWAYS got something broke on it when it only had 1 owner or maybe 2.The 1 I got now only had 1 owner and it got a ding in the front bumper to where the parking sensor is knocked out inside of the bumper somewhere and the dashboard is broke on it and hangs down with a gangster lean whenever I open it and I have to close it a ghetto way by holding it in the position that it suppose close in.Now I have had buicks,cheap base model mustangs,a chevy malibu and they were very cheap used cars I bought that were in tip top shape immaculate condition and I kept it in that same condition i bought it in whenever i do a trade in cause I don't care too much for common car models that everybody have.You would think people would have these cheap brand cars all messed up like some of the stuff I mentioned that's tore up on my Jag, but people that appreciate anything they can afford treat their stuff better than gold and or simply grown folks that act mature with anything they possess and won't have it all ragedy.Me not caring for cheap cars like that,you would think that I would abuse the car in some type of way such as this and have it looking like who done it and why but I DON'T break things that only suppose to eventually break on their own.But then I call myself buying a nice looking beautiful Jaguar you know thinking the owners would respectfully keep this car as nice looking as its price tag, but NO!By the time you buy it,you find out EXACTLY why you able to afford such a nice car that lost a lot of its value after the 1st and 2nd owners get done with them
Last edited by Barry Leftwich; May 20, 2020 at 03:09 AM.
You don't have to replace the top, you can fix it yourself. Reattaching the rear window to the canvas is an easy, DIY project that costs well under $100 for the special clamps, masking tape, and the right adhesive: Rhino Glue. I know because I did it years ago and it's still holding. Follow the instructions in my post #105, but use Rhino Glue (my post #121) instead of the 3M adhesive because it failed to hold. The entire thread is worth reading: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...ble-top-97478/
Now you know what to do when the window in your new top separates from the canvas.
Thanks for the tip!i'm doing this next time so I don't have to spend an arm&a leg replacing it
This is the 1 thing I been trying to figure out for an incredibly good long while now and i'm starting to think the VERY 1ST owners who buys the Jaguars new off the lot ARE THE REASON Jaguars got such a huge depreciation value after it gets sold to the 1st owner cause of how HORRIBLE they take care of them.I mean am I lying here?
The steep depreciation curve is evident for all cars in this class and category. Just look at leasing residuals to know what to expect in the first 3 years...for Maserati it is 45%. I have seen reported residuals (the amount of residual vs depreciation is always time and mileage dependent) for XK/XKR from 48% to 55% at 3 years. The leasing company KNOWS through time what to expect for a cars value and prices it appropriately. So a $90k sells for $45-$50k and a $120,000 XKR at $60 - $65. They just keep losing from there, not as quickly as the first years of course.
This is the reason I buy cars used after 3 years, that way I capitalize on the largest depreciation drop. Plus they are still under factory warranty. Yeah, some people treat these cars like a rental and it isn't that important a purchase and is just a car to be used up. I knew someone like that who killed a 2004 XK, smoked in it, scratched or small dings that he never repaired. Terrible!
I have bought 2 XK's and both were 3 year old single owner cars that were in pristine shape.
The steep depreciation curve is evident for all cars in this class and category. Just look at leasing residuals to know what to expect in the first 3 years...for Maserati it is 45%. I have seen reported residuals (the amount of residual vs depreciation is always time and mileage dependent) for XK/XKR from 48% to 55% at 3 years. The leasing company KNOWS through time what to expect for a cars value and prices it appropriately. So a $90k sells for $45-$50k and a $120,000 XKR at $60 - $65. They just keep losing from there, not as quickly as the first years of course.
This is the reason I buy cars used after 3 years, that way I capitalize on the largest depreciation drop. Plus they are still under factory warranty. Yeah, some people treat these cars like a rental and it isn't that important a purchase and is just a car to be used up. I knew someone like that who killed a 2004 XK, smoked in it, scratched or small dings that he never repaired. Terrible!
I have bought 2 XK's and both were 3 year old single owner cars that were in pristine shape.
But forreal, the way some of these owners treat their Jaguar when they buy 1,You would start to think they are the ones that make Jaguars depreciate lol
Dealer says that they aren't supposed to change prices on cars but that he would take any reasonable offer to his manager.
Any thoughts or ideas?
Negotiate and agree on a price- then ask him to fix the dash or you will walk away.
My friend who has an independent dealership, has an in-house upholster who fixes the dash on every jaguar (xf, xj) they take in, whether it needs it now or not.
His clientele is repeat customers for life, so he knows if it hasnt failed it will and cost him reputation.
Search dash repair thread, I have posted a picture.
Look at it this way, majority of the jags you have looked at have a failing dash, even the newer one, what are the odds that you will buy one in good shape and 6 months down the road have the same problem??
What's the story on that new Vantage in the picture?
Aston has learned from some of their dashing shrinking and warping. If you look at the new Vantage and DB11, they've totally changed the way the leather is designed & applied on the top of the dash. Ferrari has done the same. Live and learn.
Aston has learned from some of their dashing shrinking and warping. they've totally changed the way the leather is designed & applied on the top of the dash. Ferrari has done the same. Live and learn.
Jeep has not, I am dying to know what they do differently any why this problem happens on every manufacturer, including the Germans.
Does anyone know what the problem was and what they are doing different?
Leather dashes have been an issue for all manufacturers as I have seen And experienced On other cars. Jaguar does appear to be worse that other brands however when it comes to headliners and other fabric covered trim. Everyone I have owned has had this problem while Japanese and German care I have owned have not had this problem.
what is Aston doing differently now?
Originally Posted by mosesbotbol
What's the story on that new Vantage in the picture?
Aston has learned from some of their dashing shrinking and warping. If you look at the new Vantage and DB11, they've totally changed the way the leather is designed & applied on the top of the dash. Ferrari has done the same. Live and learn.
Water pump a bonus, miles not horrible. Is that a stain or wear on the headrest? Driver bolster also looks a bit worn. No Adaptive Cruise, but most non-2010s don't. How are the tires? The one looks okay, but what's the age? That could be a largish immediate purchase. I see 19-inch, so not the uprated wheel package, but some people prefer 19s.
Only thing..... not an "R" so price is lower. Add an "R" and it's $3k more.
That is a very good car- everything is Jaguar on it, namely the service.
It did overheat, but its done 20,000 miles since repair. So it was not bad.
Is it odd that there was steam coming out but the temp gauge never over heated(per the service write up?)
Originally Posted by Cee Jay
Water pump a bonus, miles not horrible. Is that a stain or wear on the headrest? Driver bolster also looks a bit worn. No Adaptive Cruise, but most non-2010s don't. How are the tires? The one looks okay, but what's the age? That could be a largish immediate purchase. I see 19-inch, so not the uprated wheel package, but some people prefer 19s.
Only thing..... not an "R" so price is lower. Add an "R" and it's $3k more.
Might be stain or wear, bolster too probably. Can probably have that corrected at an upholsterer.
My Audi has adaptive cruise control and I hate it. Plus when a sensor glitches or gets covered by enough crap, or honestly, it just feels like not working for a minute, the entire cruise control stops working. Not just the adaptive part. I find that so stupid.
Also, up in Michigan, if I could get 18's that didn't look stupid I would that that our roads are cow manure.
This does seem like a good one with some really positive upsides
Last edited by Marc Voorhees; May 21, 2020 at 12:45 PM.
our roads are cow manure.