I'm going to be helping out a buddy who has a problem with his rear lights/SLM, and planned to use Autogenuity to investigate the issue.

Planning ahead, I tried reading the sensors from the SLM on my car (an '03 XKR). I've found that Autogenuity only seems to read about 20 sensors from the SLM, even though their website lists about 40. In particular the 'bad bulb' and 'lamp feedback' sensors are missing.

I've contacted Autogenuity; they've suggested an upgrade (to v13 - I'm running v12). However, having seen the feedback else where on the forum I'm nervous about that - my copy seems generally ok otherwise.

Can anyone else confirm whether they can read all 40 (approx) sensors from the SLM with Autogenuity on a similar XK8 or XKR?

I'm also wondering whether to get an i930 scanner. However, I can't even see the SLM listed (looking at the ebay listings); but I'm wondering if that's an error in the listing, as it seems pretty comprehensive otherwise. If anyone has one I'd be interested to know what sensors it can read from the SLM.

Thanks in advance
Steve

 

Steve,

You've probably read RaceDiagnostics (Jim) and I both 'upgraded' to AE version 13 and found it introduced a load of problems without adding any additional functions. It certainly doesn't read all the sensors they claim.

If you're on version 12, my advice is to stick with it.

I got an eMail from AE yesterday notifying version 13.1 is available. I'll give this a try to see if it fixes what the original 13 broke. If not, I'll go back to version 12 and rely on Mongoose for anything other than P codes.

Graham

 

Thanks - I just rechecked the email they sent me yesterday (in response to my question re this issue), and they sent me a link (and a new activation code) for 13.1. I'll let you go first (!) and find out if it's improved things.

What software are you using with the Mongoose? I'm assuming you're able to read 'all' of the Jaguar sensors (a quick check last night showed that my AE12 is probably only reading about 1/2 of the BCM sensors, so I'm thinking of getting something else - my feeling is that with our cars you really need to have a good diagnostics tools if you're going to be maintaining them yourself)

-Steve

 

Steve,

I've got the link and activation code for 13.1 from AE today and will try it this weekend.

I'm using 1.34 with my Mongoose clone and it does appear to read 'all'.

Graham

 

Here's a cautionary tale. I purchased a used icarsoft i930 scanner on the basis of favorable comments from other forum users. It's apparently not a knock-off, since the company allowed me to register it and download the latest software versions. Unfortunately, it won't read live data streams, and doesn't give me as much information as the Torque app on my cell phone.

Since the company appears to have an office in the U.S., i first wrote to their website for tech support. The answer I got was from someone with an American name, but for whom English was obviously a second language, promising to have an engineer contact me. After not receiving the promised follow-up, I called their (supposedly U.S.) telephone number which connected me with someone in China with a limited understanding of English. Another promise of an engineer getting back to me. One did, but had no understanding of the problem as I expressed it, so I'm now left with a useless scanner that I paid too much for, and no other options.

Should have purchased the Creader VIII.

 

Graham,

Did you get a chance to try 13.1? I've not had chance yet (going to try on a spare laptop), but have ordered IDS and a mongoose clone on the way, as the report on the i930 above wasn't too encouraging....

-Steve

 

Hi Graham,

I've now got a Mongoose clone, and SDD (1.30) and it seems to be connecting to the car ok (gets the VIN, shows the diagram with all the module statuses). How do I get to where I can read the sensor data from a module? (I've searched the web looking for info on that, or a video, can't find anything - which means it's probably really obvious!)

Thanks in advance
Steve

 

Steve,

Apologies - I've been distracted with work and other things recently and haven't had an opportunity to test the new AE release.

We have Mongoose user guides in the forum download area:

https://www.mediafire.com/#bl9ubq4jz1srg

You'll find everything there to get you started from the very basics.

Graham

 

As far as using the i930 scanner is concerned, I have had a similar experience to Max224, namely no live data reading and unable to clear DTCs, the unit flags up "unable to connect to ECU". Even though it was bought through a UK based supplier(Pro diagnostics UK) when I emailed them to explain the problem , I received an email from some Chinese woman who promised to deal with it and contact an engineer - 12 days later I'm still waiting. Ended up taking to local Jag specialist who soon diagnosed faulty rh front wheel sensor, so now I'm left a £90 scanner which is next to useless and £45 for diagnostic check.
No reply as yet from emailing the supplier yesterday stating it is not fit for purpose and wanting a refund on return of the unit , strangely when I first expressed an interest in buying the thing he replied within half an hour !- so I would say buyer beware if considering buying this rubbish.

 

I bought the i930 scanner a couple of months ago and used it recently to diagnose and clear a front near side wheel sensor fault on my 2004 XKR that came up after driving through a heavy thunder storm.


I got it through Diagnostic World and it does show live data. I haven't checked all the sensors it can read but it is reasonably comprehensive.

 

I was very much considering adding an i930 to my tool collection, but there seems to be mixed reviews on the things...

Having checked a few Land Rover forums, there was positive feedback from the LR guys.

But from the Jaguar side, a lot of negative comments, although much of it seems to be related to the customer service side of things, in addition to the product itself.

I understand that there are Clones of the i930 being sold, often under the premise of them being genuine items. In this case I would suggest buying from the most reputable source you can, rather than the cheapest price.

For example Rimmer Bros in the UK are selling the i930 as a Terrafirma accessory, and from my experience with these guys, i'm very sure they won't be flogging a chinese clone...

 

I also bought an i930 and have found it to be a great piece of kit. It correctly detected a wheel sensor that needed cleaning when my ABS light came on. I am able to live data stream up to around 67 parameters on the engine side alone and this on my fairly old 1998 XKR. DTC's are easy to look up and erase. I have even used it on my sons Honda Accord to read his DTCs. £90 from diagnostic-world, delivered.

 

Caley - do you know if you can read live values for 'all' the parameters from the SLM module? (there should be around 40 of them). I'm using Autoenginuity, and it's only picking up around 1/2 of them (and, of course, it's the 1/2 I don't currently need). Screenshot below shows the ones I can pick up; AutoGenuity web site lists these:

https://www.autoenginuity.com/images...Module_sensors

Although I've just got hold of a Mongoose and SDD, If I can find a 'good' i930, and it reads the codes I think I'd pick one up anyway - easier to keep in the glove box, and less cumbersome to use when just trying to read sensor values.

-Steve

 

Steve,
It depends on what year the car is... These are the number of items that can be data streamed for the SLM for each model year according to my i930:-
97 to 2000.........12 items
2001 to 2002.....24 items
2003 to 2005.....21 items

So nowhere near 40.

Hope this is of help

 

Many Thanks!! This is very useful - and also tells me that what AutoEnginuity is reading from my 2003 XKR probably matches your i930 (I'm able to read 22 sensors).

The ones that are missing include the bulb failure/feedback inputs. I'm wondering if those are reported by the Body Control Module, or somewhere else. The 2003 Electrical diagram shows 6 bulb sensors in the SLM; my friends' car is reporting 'Check rear lights' (all are good Jaguar bulbs) and I belive at least one of the sensors in the SLM has failed - I am hoping to be able to read these to determine which one(s), then have a go at replacing them.

I'll have a further check out with both AE and SSD tomorrow.

-Steve

 

Update on my attempt to diagnose exactly what is wrong with the 'check rear lights' warning on my buddy's 2006 XK8.

The fault comes on when the headlamps are turned on, and goes away the moment they are turned off. All rear bulbs appear to be illuminating (and I believe all have been replaced with new Jaguar bulbs). There are no 'cruise control' error warnings.

I was hoping that with AutoEnginuity or SDD/Mongoose I would be able to read exactly which bulb was detected as failed; I suspect that one of the 'driver's chips in the SLM has failed, and I planned to replace it - and wanted to know which one.

However, I've also read that when these chips fail they tend to also either leave the lights on all the time, or cause the light not to illuminate - neither of which is occurring.

There also seems to be some confusion as to whether the Jaguar actually uses the 'sense' circuit in these drivers.

I was wondering if

a) Anyone has resolved this identical issue (and how?)

b) Does anyone know if there's a value I can read that will tell me which bulb is believed to have failed (AutoEngenuity's website indicates that sensor is in the SLM, but as it appears none of the 'advanced' ODBDII readers can see it, it is not there....and I can't find it anywhere else.