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Old Mar 10, 2013 | 10:13 AM
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Upon various pedal effort I will at times get a very mechanical feeling feedback throught the brake pedal, a "clunky" feel, not a pulse like a normal ABS system in slippery conditions more like a brief shudder that effects pedal travel. It is very inconsistent, braking power is not reduced and it is not pulling to either side.

It has been happening sporadically for a while before and after a recent rotor and pad change. I am not an expert but I am thinking this is related to either a sticking caliper and the brake booster over compensating or a faulty/ ailing brake booster.

I know I mentioned it is not pulling which may eliminate the sticking caliper but I do have 4 piston Brembos, so my thought is if one piston momentarily sticks the brake will still operate enough not to notice a pull to one side or the other.

I could be completely off target but I am curious if anyone else has experienced this or can lead me in the right direction.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2013 | 10:22 AM
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Does one rotor feel hotter than the others?
 
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Old Mar 10, 2013 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by steveinfrance
Does one rotor feel hotter than the others?
I will take a closer look, or feel, next time the car is out but casually there appears to be no noticeable heat variation.

I can say there is no difference on the surface/wear pattern of the rotors, if that means anything.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2013 | 11:27 AM
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If this is happening when you're investigating the higher performance limits, it could be the DSC system automatically applying / releasing individual brake calipers. Normal behaviour but a strange feel through the pedal.

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Old Mar 10, 2013 | 12:39 PM
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The other really odd feeling is the emergency brake boost - a giant foot takes over the pedal and the car stops as if you'd driven into a brick wall.
That happens when you stamp extra hard on the pedal.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2013 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GGG
If this is happening when you're investigating the higher performance limits, it could be the DSC system automatically applying / releasing individual brake calipers. Normal behaviour but a strange feel through the pedal.

Graham
Good point but it usually happens under light braking/light pedal effort. It certainly feels mechanical rather than a hydraulic shudder, almost like there is some type of linkage issue. The only linkage I am aware of is the pedal assembly and the booster to the master cylinder.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2013 | 07:30 PM
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I have also felt this on occassion with my 2003 XK8, and wondered what it was.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2013 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MarcB
Good point but it usually happens under light braking/light pedal effort. It certainly feels mechanical rather than a hydraulic shudder, almost like there is some type of linkage issue. The only linkage I am aware of is the pedal assembly and the booster to the master cylinder.
Are the Guide Pins (item 2) in good condition?

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Any high spots or corrosion and the pads can bind on them.

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Old Mar 11, 2013 | 08:17 PM
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Yes, I recently thoroughly cleaned the pins with 000 steel wool and brake cleaner.(Perhaps I should have posted that in the OCD detailing thread)
 
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Old Apr 20, 2013 | 08:58 AM
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It appears this was caused by the wiring harnesses that are zip tied to the upper control arms. Someone has mentioned this before but I was pretty skeptical as my car was giving me intermittent DSC system faults, the ABS light and apparently the related issue of clunky brake pedal feedback. After a lot of cleaning of the sensors, connectors and inspecting the modules I looked at the wiring harnesses as a last resort prior to repacing components. It worked, as I was finally able to cure all the above issues by simply removing the zip ties, adding slack and re-tying them.
 
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