Convertible top grommet
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Less zoomed
Here is a better shot of what I am asking about. There are a couple of hidden "snaps" (indicated by the red dots) in the headliner that attach it to the frame of the roof.The little ball part of the snap is mostly gone so the headliner flaps around. This is true on both driver and passenger sides. Question is whether anyone has a quick/clever fix. It's also not clear to me if these are supposed to become "unsnapped" as the top goes down. (i.e. a permanent attachment would be a bad idea). Thanks
Approx location of hidden snaps
Approx location of hidden snaps
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With the top down on my 97 XK8, I noticed the headliner was loose at both corners and I saw two little plastic push button type of pieces on the frame whereas in your photo there is a hole in the frame. These two plastic buttons had a low profile head, almost flush you could say and I tried to pry the plastic clip, plug out; but it only rose up 1-2mm. It wouldn't pop out and not wanting to break it, I realized that with it up this far, I could slip the hole in the headliner around the head of the plastic plug, snap what ever you want to call it and once the headliner was on the clip, I pushed it back down and it seems to hold. Time will tell if the headliner wants to pop off again or not. I guess you could use some contact adhesive on the underside of the plug head and a bit on the headliner yet I'd be afraid of the adhesive showing. It would be tricky to apply it just right. Some other type of adhesive could work....
Last edited by MWags; 08-21-2017 at 12:14 AM.
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With the top down on my 97 XK8, I noticed the headliner was loose at both corners and I saw two little plastic push button type of pieces on the frame whereas in your photo there is a hole in the frame. These two plastic buttons had a low profile head, almost flush you could say and I tried to pry the plastic clip, plug out; but it only rose up 1-2mm. It wouldn't pop out and not wanting to break it, I realized that with it up this far, I could slip the hole in the headliner around the head of the plastic plug, snap what ever you want to call it and once the headliner was on the clip, I pushed it back down and it seems to hold. Time will tell if the headliner wants to pop off again or not. I guess you could use some contact adhesive on the underside of the plug head and a bit on the headliner yet I'd be afraid of the adhesive showing. It would be tricky to apply it just right. Some other type of adhesive could work....
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Here's a photo for you. I'd say give a call to one of the distributors of replacement tops and describe to them your situation. They may be able to tell you and sell you what you need. I know that SNG Barratt has them as does Terrys Jaguar.
I'm tempted to replace mine with button snaps. It would be easy enough to do and my 97 XK8 only has two purchase points on each side, so four snaps would not be that bad to look at.
I'm tempted to replace mine with button snaps. It would be easy enough to do and my 97 XK8 only has two purchase points on each side, so four snaps would not be that bad to look at.
Last edited by MWags; 08-21-2017 at 12:38 PM.
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I would try reinforcing the worn fabric with something like these metal grommets from a fabric store.
How to install metal grommet
End result would be be like this
And replace the retainers with these from Lowes hardware
Remember to put the retainer inside the fabric before securing the grommet.
How to install metal grommet
End result would be be like this
And replace the retainers with these from Lowes hardware
Remember to put the retainer inside the fabric before securing the grommet.
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Johnken (10-17-2017)
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I made a larger washer out of a piece of flexible cutting board materialusing a ¾" arch punch and a smaller punch for the center.
My fasteners are a bit shot so I'll be doing this with the new fasters and the pink washer should prevent the headliner from pulling loose.
I would not recommend pulling the headliner over the fastner and washer so as to not stretch the headliner material but rather to install it from the inside thru the slot shown in the left hand side of this photo.
My fasteners are a bit shot so I'll be doing this with the new fasters and the pink washer should prevent the headliner from pulling loose.
I would not recommend pulling the headliner over the fastner and washer so as to not stretch the headliner material but rather to install it from the inside thru the slot shown in the left hand side of this photo.
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Johnken (10-17-2017)
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That is why you need to put the fastener in first. Once you reinforce the hole you would have no way of getting the pin inside the liner.
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I should have made it clearer. The grommet is used to reinforce the existing hole in the fabric. It would still be hidden that way. It does not need to be done thru both sides of the liner.
That is why you need to put the fastener in first. Once you reinforce the hole you would have no way of getting the pin inside the liner.
That is why you need to put the fastener in first. Once you reinforce the hole you would have no way of getting the pin inside the liner.
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Resolved
Finally got around to fixing this. Hardest part was locating the "push" pins. Lowes carried them in a drawer marked "automotive". Home Depot did not carry anything like this.
The trick is locating the access/opening in the ceiling fabric. Also I think this job is best done with the top lowered. In my case there still was a black plastic reinforcement inside the fabric. If missing, the suggestions above would work.
I worked the push pin in through the opening in the fabric, making sure it goes under and then through the black plastic and out through the existing hole. Once both pins were in place (I forgot to take a pic of this), I pressed them into the holes in the roof frame. Had to make sure the fabric wasn't bunched up or caught under the head of the push pin. Viola!
Before: Holes in ceiling fabric where broken pins were removed. Needs to be attached to black frame below.
New push pins
I know it says GM but the Ford parts didn't look right
Convenient access to inside the ceiling liner
The black plastic reinforcement
The trick is locating the access/opening in the ceiling fabric. Also I think this job is best done with the top lowered. In my case there still was a black plastic reinforcement inside the fabric. If missing, the suggestions above would work.
I worked the push pin in through the opening in the fabric, making sure it goes under and then through the black plastic and out through the existing hole. Once both pins were in place (I forgot to take a pic of this), I pressed them into the holes in the roof frame. Had to make sure the fabric wasn't bunched up or caught under the head of the push pin. Viola!
Before: Holes in ceiling fabric where broken pins were removed. Needs to be attached to black frame below.
New push pins
I know it says GM but the Ford parts didn't look right
Convenient access to inside the ceiling liner
The black plastic reinforcement
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Orthodixie (10-15-2017)
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Haha! Thanks for the tip. Despite the fact that I am the owner of an '06 Jaguar, I still tend to spend most of my weekends in the hardware vs auto parts store!