Ok...so I have searched and searched to no avail for a solution and now I figured I would post for help.

So here is what happened....(don't laugh)

I went to Home Depot and bought blinds for my patio...I put them into the back and they would fit...so of course I decided to put the top down. Well I neglected to remove the blinds first and when the top began to retract it hit the blinds and stoped immediately with no damage to either. So I removed the blinds and let the top down the rest of the way...no problem.

When I returned home the top would not budge...no motor noise and nothing to indicate there was an issue. SO...I began searching the forum and tried numerous things and checked everything I could check.

In the end I simply raised the top manually...no issue there except now my rear windows will not go up and the top does nothing when I press the button.

I have read on here something about making sure the rams are fully up..but no explanation of how to do this..??

I have checked fuses, fluids, hoses, reset the system via the battery, manually raised and lowered the top, everything I could find on the forum. I checked my fuse box for the jumper switch someone had posted for raising the rear windows but my fuse box does not have that jumper.

My first thought was that it needs to be reset somehow...because it was working fine..? I assumed that when it hit the blinds it caused an automatic stop in the system which could then be reset..?

Please any help would be greatly appreciated....thanks

 

I would also guess the ramps, it must be a signal that is not given or something caused by a deformation or so.


Attached is a good document, that should help in finding the cause.

 

thanks....I have read through this document a few times now...I suppose I need to change the control switches..?? It would seem to me that it is still a RESET in the system since the top worked prior to this occurence..?

I would rather not take it to a dealer for something simple I can do myself.

 

A dealer tool might be easier to check what signals are given, and thus pinpoint where the issue lies.

 

Agreed....but I'm not in a position to pay them 100+ an hour to figure it out.

 

Suggest you begin by seeing if voltage is reaching the pump when the Roof switch is pressed.

Open the 2-wire connector (thick black & white wires) near the pump and see if there is voltage there. Polarity could be either way; but let's see what, if anything, is there.

 

Thanks....not a bad idea...I'll have to wait til this weekend however when I have time to do so. Until then Rear windows down in AZ is not so bad...

 

To have the windows close, you will need to manually latch both the left and right rams. That means that you will need to apply (significant) upward force to the roof mechanism at both lift rams (behind the headliner) until they lock into position.

If that fails, you can use the electrical method. Based on your comments, are you saying the fusebox does not have the same relays that the instructions identify you need to jump? If so, if you post a photo of the inside of your fusebox we still might be able to help.

 

I will try that....but exactly "WHERE" are the lift rams located.???

behind the headliner is a bit general... I'm guessing near the rear of the roof behind the headliner near the bottom just behind the rear seats..?

When you say "SIGNIFICANT" force...I'm afraid of damaging something. Is there a way to know when you have applied enough force to lock them in...(i.e. Clicking sound)...???

If you have a pic that would be even better.

I appreciate your help.

 

2 things:

WhiteXKR's post makes me realize that testing for voltage at the pump is not as conclusive as I thought. If the system happens to "think" it's at a point in the cycle when it is moving the rear windows, it will not be trying to run the pump. Still worth testing for voltage there though, because if it is found, then we've got the problem isolated to the pump.

I'm pretty sure there are pictures in the stickys, but the spot you're looking for to "apply pressure" to extend the rams ... sort of at the "knee" of the roof frame, the back edge of the big flat "roof" surface, where it hinges as it opens or closes. Something like 5 to 10 pounds of force seems right, for sure not 50 pounds.

 

Dave, I would check the fuses again. The logical answer to me is that there is no power. The stoppage may have caused an overload enough to blow a fuse. It will no take that long, and it will cost you nothing. Just my 2c..

 

Thanks to all of you...I will give the "RAM" check thing a try first.

Then check the voltage at the pump...

I have checked the fuse twice now to be sure...but I have not checked the fuse up front...only the ones in the boot. I pulled each and every one and checked them to be sure.

Thanks to ALL of you for your help....greatly appreciated.

 

Hi.
I would also check all the fuses again, there are many in the top system and it may be hard to see if any are blown.
Try key in door, global closing/opening.
To force rear quarter windows, you have to remove relevant relay and jump the connections.
Do this at your own risk. It's a fragile system.

 

Thanks...I'll have a look at the relays...the diagram is very helpful.

 

If you do try to lock the rams manually I believe you need to open the petcock on the side of the pump(turn anticlockwise) - presumably the rams are double acting hydraulic cylinders?

 

The windows will not go up until the rams are extended fully. I would want to find out why your roof system is not responding by checking the fuses first. I would then do a hard reset after open the roof manually and parking the latch. Based on your comments I will assume the rear windows are still open. Check the petcock closed at the pump and do a hard reset and see if the roof closes only this time remove all objects that might get in the way.