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He's asking $44.9k and he's lying. He says it's 2 wheel drive but no XKR came from the factory with a LSD. I don't think you can get this high on crack; he must be on something stronger.
He's asking $44.9k and he's lying. He says it's 2 wheel drive but no XKR came from the factory with a LSD. I don't think you can get this high on crack; he must be on something stronger.
Mark
It is late at night and I am tired, but I didn't see where he claimed that the vehicle has a LSD. And are you implying that his vehicle is NOT 2 wheel drive, and/or that all 2 wheel drive vehicles must necessarily have a LSD?
I can't tell for sure of the car really has Recaros but maybe. Didn't see the part about a LSD as an option.
I suspect this "special" edition was only special as long as it took Jaguar to get rid of the remaining supply of 4.0 liter engines in 2002, right before the changeover to the 4.2. Other than that it's little more than a nice XKR doubling as a birthday card for some dead dude.
I can't tell for sure of the car really has Recaros but maybe. Didn't see the part about a LSD as an option.
I suspect this "special" edition was only special as long as it took Jaguar to get rid of the remaining supply of 4.0 liter engines in 2002, right before the changeover to the 4.2. Other than that it's little more than a nice XKR doubling as a birthday card for some dead dude.
According to Thorley's book, the major "plusses" included contrasting piping at the interior leather, drilled rotors and performance handling package (which presumably included the Recaro seats), and special badging.
With most manufacturers offering so-called "special" or "limited" editions, these are often the last production run before the new model and in most cases these are purely cosmetic.
According to Thorley's book, the major "plusses" included contrasting piping at the interior leather, drilled rotors and performance handling package (which presumably included the Recaro seats), and special badging.
With most manufacturers offering so-called "special" or "limited" editions, these are often the last production run before the new model and in most cases these are purely cosmetic.
Doug
Well certainly, because if they wanted to do anything mechanical, just imagine the engineering cost and then the cost to make sure that it was still compatible with the various government and insurance regulations and so forth in several different countries. That would be extremely cost prohibitive on a small number of "Special Edition" vehicles.
It is late at night and I am tired, but I didn't see where he claimed that the vehicle has a LSD. And are you implying that his vehicle is NOT 2 wheel drive, and/or that all 2 wheel drive vehicles must necessarily have a LSD?
Without LSD, only one wheel is ever driven. I would not call that two wheel drive. I wouldn't call a car with LSD two wheel drive either but a car with an LSD is closer to that definition than one without an LSD.
Without LSD, only one wheel is ever driven. I would not call that two wheel drive. I wouldn't call a car with LSD two wheel drive either but a car with an LSD is closer to that definition than one without an LSD.
Mark
Standard terminology for drivetrain types in the automobile industry is two wheel drive, four wheel drive, or all wheel drive. Since no one is claiming that the subject vehicle has four wheel drive or all wheel drive, then by the process of elimination it has two wheel drive. I would venture a guess that no web site specializing in the listing of automobiles for sale has "one wheel drive" as a selectable option for drivetrain type.
If, as you say, only one wheel is EVER driven, why would car manufacturers not save a lot of complication and money and just have the driveshaft connect to one wheel in a standard vehicle?
According to Wikipedia:
"A conventional "open" (non-locked or otherwise traction-aided) differential always supplies close to equal (because of limited internal friction) torque to each side. To illustrate how this can limit torque applied to the driving wheels, imagine a simple rear-wheel drive vehicle, with one rear roadwheel on asphalt with good grip, and the other on a patch of slippery ice. It takes very little torque to spin the side on slippery ice, and because a differential splits torque equally to each side, the torque that is applied to the side that is on asphalt is limited to this amount.
Based on the load, gradient, et cetera, the vehicle requires a certain amount of torque applied to the drive wheels to move forward. Since an open differential limits total torque applied to both drive wheels to the amount used by the lower traction wheel multiplied by a factor of 2, when one wheel is on a slippery surface, the total torque applied to the driving wheels may be lower than the minimum torque required for vehicle propulsion." Differential (mechanical device) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You may not call a standard vehicle without limited-slip differential "two wheel drive", but almost everyone else in the world does. You have the right to disagree with the industry standard terminology and use whatever terminology you choose. But calling the seller a liar because he uses the standard terminology is a bit draconian.
Last edited by bakntyme; Jan 30, 2015 at 10:28 PM.
bakntyme, say what you want but to me, it's misleading. Calling out something that is standard on all cars, as if it's something special, is misleading. The bottom line is that when you step on the gas you'll leave one black mark, not two as only one wheel will only ever have torque applied to it. When I sold my Saturn L200, I did not specify two wheel drive and anyone willing to pay $45k for that car would likely take the "two wheel drive" statement to mean LSD, which I believe was his intent.
Anyone paying 45k won't have a clue what a LSD is, except they may be taking the Timothy Oleary kind
That's exactly my point. They probably won't understand what an LSD is but may think, since two wheel drive was specified, that it has an LSD (but probably wouldn't know the term LSD). Many people assume that a car like an XK/XKR has an LSD.
I think you guys are putting WAY too much thought into this. By most of your reasoning, a four-wheel drive truck (with open diffs) would be classified as a TWO wheel drive vehicle. Yes, I know all about spider gears, lockers, clutch packs, friction modifiers and the lot.
The was most vehicles are marketed are either Front Wheel Drive, Rear Wheel Drive, ALL wheel Drive, or Four Wheel Drive.
For argument's sake, both rear wheels ARE driven on a rear wheeler, as long as neither one loses enough traction to enable the open diff to stop the other one.
XK100: is the seller smoking crack?
