F-Type ( X152 ) 2014 - Onwards

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Posting some project pics. First will be of a few bag of parts. I ordered off a parts explosion than figured it out from there. Not too tough but, I am certainly taking a few best guesses!
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Old 01-29-2017, 03:11 PM
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Waiting on more required parts for the rear I decided to commit to moving forward and attacked the front. First image is the standard brake cooling duct mounted to the lower arm of the front wishbone. The second image is the top cooling duct which is from the bag o' parts. This one I feel certain I have installed correctly. The duct, as they call it, mounts to the sway bar mounting bolt on the wishbone. Then there are two u-clamps that mount around the sway bar and attached to threaded nuts that are hard fixed to the upper duct. I do believe on an SVR there may even be more duct work but what i have will be plenty. the last pic on this post shows the magic u-clamps of which each duct requires two. Not realizing that, and glad of it, i only bought two which ended up listing at 45.50 each from Jag. Making an executive decision I fabricated the other pair I acquired at a whopping $1.18 cost from Home Depot. Add a drill bit and grind some metal. Voila, a new bracket. I then started thinking that if I wanted to start over and fabricate this entire CCB conversion from Home Depot, I should be able to take my cost from $6,000 to $7,000 down to around $181.00. I calculated the percent of savings from the Jag clamp to Home Depot. I figure if I do full conversions for 181.00 US, we can all have CCB brakes by spring!
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Upper duct installed

Top brake duct bracket OEM $45.50 Bottom bracket Home Depot $1.18
 

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A couple things for those of you that are as into worthless but conversant trivia; the first picture here is an original dust shield on my f-type. This is riveted on, so drill it out, and install much larger shield shown in the second image! Rivet off, rivet on! Back to cost savings, there is not much more to these sheilds than an aluminum pie pan. They are aluminum and feather light. One important note when installing the larger shield. In my haste and excitement, I installed it including the rivets. Then I had a heart skip when I attempted to fit the caliper. The bottom caliper bolt would not align on the hub. My panic was, "what in dear lord could Jag have changed." So, get out the drill and remove new shield and rivets. I then found I could easily fit the caliper. Bottom line, the dust shield is designed to closely fit up to the caliper and if you have it off center by a 1/4", you do not install the caliper. Sooooo, I reinstalled one rivet, fitted the rotor for proper clearance, placed the second rivet such tha the shield continued to clear the caliper and no more issues! One mystery I need answered by someone that has factory installed CCB's. On the larger dust shield, inboard to the car, there is a threaded bolt permanently fixed to the shield as there must be a bracket which fits to it. What bracket, i have not idea but person with CCB can tell me and it should not require removing the wheel to tell!
Ftype front standard brake dust shield

Larger CCB brake shield installed
 

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Old 01-29-2017, 03:22 PM
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Last pic today is what I feel is a properly installed front corner. Below the complete pic, note the close up of the LH side caliper. The set up calls for a different brake pad wear sensor. it has two terminals versus one. So, i assumed one goes on one side of the caliper and the other across it to indicate a warning should one side reach the rotor before another. Probably a good thought at the cost of replacing the bad boys!
Front corner done!

Two position brake pad wear sensor
 
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To put that into a "down to earth" perspective, I only paid the equivalent of 4000 for this 1 previous owner, 4 X 4 truck, in great condition, which I use for all kinds of things on my "farm."

You need a proper set of tyres on that thing, D697s would do, or BFG KO2s.
 

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Last pic today is what I feel is a properly installed front corner. Below the complete pic, note the close up of the LH side caliper. The set up calls for a different brake pad wear sensor. it has two terminals versus one. So, i assumed one goes on one side of the caliper and the other across it to indicate a warning should one side reach the rotor before another. Probably a good thought at the cost of replacing the bad boys!
You sir, have won the internet. Its nice to see someone finally stepping up doing something technical to their F-TYPE on their own.
 
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Well for a progress update....none. Still waiting on rear caliper brackets from the UK. The brackets are promised any day but, I have hit a bit of a snafu. The rear discs require a separate parking brake caliper for each side. While my UK source felt he had a pair, it came down that he had only one and now none.

Today I visited my dealer to bite the bullet and buy two of the fellows which list at 520.00 each U.S. only to find that no stock is shown in U.S.A. or in Europe. Rut-ro! My parts guy is making inquiries. Calipers are T2R16683 and T2R16684 if anyone has an extra pair in their take off pile of parts.

The hunt continues. In boredom I did mount a front wheel and the looks is quite cool. Till next time, on the jack stands she sits.
 
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Damn...

The rear discs on the CC brakes are 34mm thick, this is thicker than the Alcon rotor from the XKR's which is 28mm, probably explains why there is a different park brake caliper, even though it's more or less the same design.

Perhaps, maybe, can find a Brembo park brake caliper from another vehicle that has 34mm thick rear rotors?

For example, on the Alcon-equipped XKR's, the park brake caliper is the same one used on Aston Martins. Maybe there is a Ferrari or other model that has CC brakes of the same thickness and use the same park brake caliper?

Like here is a pair from a Lambo 02-09 LAMBORGHINI MURCIELAGO LP640 BREMBO CARBON CERAMIC GENUINE LEFT AND RIGHT | eBay

If someone can cross check the numbers cast into the Jaguar calipers and compare to others from Lambo, Ferrari, etc, might find a match...

I checked the calipers for the XKR-S GT, they are 1080 each (pounds!) from the UK so that might not be an option...
 
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The Aston Martin DBS has 32mm thick carbon ceramic brakes on the rear and uses the same sort of separate park brake caliper, maybe ask an Aston dealer for some guidance? EDIT VelocityAP are Aston parts dealers...
 

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The Aston Martin DBS has 32mm thick carbon ceramic brakes on the rear and uses the same sort of separate park brake caliper, maybe ask an Aston dealer for some guidance? EDIT VelocityAP are Aston parts dealers...
Maybe he could use the DBS calipers and machine a mm off each of the pad faces (assuming the caliper mounting points are identical).
 
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Hot damn! Calvary to the rescue. Thanks guys. Glad I did not catch you guys sleeping.
I am in full pursuit!
 
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Hot damn! Calvary to the rescue. Thanks guys. Glad I did not catch you guys sleeping.
I am in full pursuit!
in fact, there is probably enough initial clearance that the pads for the DBS calipers would fit without trimming.
 
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Here is the section from the DBS workshop manual showing the handbrake

DBS Workshop Manual 09 - Handbrake.pdf
 
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Here is the section from the DBS workshop manual showing the handbrake

Attachment 142420
jag does not use a cable. Made contact to day with an oem friend who is contacting brembo in hopes of help
 
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Ahhh yeah...

The earlier models like the XK used a cable system with central electric actuator, the F-Type has an individual electric actuator mounted directly on the park brake caliper...

At least the actuator is the same between the steel braked cars and the CC ones...
 
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Very interesting... I have the ceramics but I just checked and I don't have the upper cooling duct that bolts the antiroll bar. Do you mind sharing the PN so I can have a word with my dealer.
 
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sure. Can you sometime get me a pic of the back lower side of your front brakes dust shield. The shield that came specified for the ccb's has a small stud on the inboard side of the dust shield. For not it is the stud to no where as I have no clue what mounts to it.

Also, would love pics of rear parking brake caliper location and electrical connector.

Ducts are T2R10498 and T2R10497

Note, your car appears to be AWD and I pulled parts from RWD but not sure there would be a difference.

Hope I did not start something. could be only on SVR. I just found them in parts display for ccb and ordered them. Easy peasey to install.
He is a picture of my same side before the upper duct install such that you can compare. Also not your sway bar was inspected with red paint and mine was done in blue. I was told that all the cars marked in blue paint significantly out performed those cars marked with red!
 

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Just received the rear caliper adapters. These are the items that currently have no Jag part number. I am a lucky guy to have only paid 250.00 each for them used. My guess these are the same items that show under XKRS-GT parts for 2300.00 each. They are quite large. Looking forward to the end of my day to see how they fit. Still waiting on rear parking brake calipers. But, maybe there is daylight at the end of this project.
 
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Awesome!

But they are not the brackets from the XKR-S GT, well not the same part numbers anyhow.

The XKR-S GT brackets are;

Left C2P25595, EX53-N125-BA
Eight C2P25574, EX53-N124-BA

These F-Type ones have -AD at the end, and those are not in my other list either.

The way these WERS numbers work, the last letter is a revision number, the 2nd last letter is a variant.

So for example, -AA, -AB, -AC, -AD, are all the same part, all interchangeable, just minor revisions.

But a -AA, -BA, -CA, these would generally have different functionality, and are generally not interchangeable.

With a part like this, which is a cast part with some machined finishing, there might be something different about the machined bits on it. You can see the -AD cast letters were done with a changeable insert (the circle around it) so the basic raw casting of the part would be the same for all possible variants of EX53-5N125-xx, must be something to do with the machining that's different to require a new part number...

Or it could be that they changed the part number for some other reason, like to give it an F-Type part number, for accounting purposes or what not...

I'll see if I can find out the part numbers of these versions through other channels...

EDIT

Hahahaha, found them!!!

EX53-5N124-AA = T2R10428
EX53-5N125-AA = T2R10429

Obviously there has been some revisions to these parts, since they are now up to -AD, the -AD will have a different part number, but this is a start in tracking down the newer versions, they were listed at 200 each UK price, so much cheaper than the GT ones...
 

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not sure how you do what you do but glad you do it. Awesome! todd
 

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