ceramic brake retrofit
#141
12-11-2018, 09:06 PM
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#142
12-11-2018, 09:48 PM
Just to clarify the terminology, we're talking about the cast alloy knuckle, in the parts catalogue this is called a "hub carrier"
The SVR ones are unique, not the same as the XKR-S GT. You really wouldn't want the GT ones anyhow as they require the additional bracket to mount the main caliper and the park brake caliper, and they cost an absolute fortune.
SVR hub carriers to suit Carbon Ceramic brakes are;
Left T2R22288
Right T2R21965
353 great british pounds each retail in the UK.
The hubs, where the wheels bolt on, are unique to the SVR, not the same as the R, V6, or other models. But the same hub is used on the SVR for steel or ceramic brakes.
The SVR ones are unique, not the same as the XKR-S GT. You really wouldn't want the GT ones anyhow as they require the additional bracket to mount the main caliper and the park brake caliper, and they cost an absolute fortune.
SVR hub carriers to suit Carbon Ceramic brakes are;
Left T2R22288
Right T2R21965
353 great british pounds each retail in the UK.
The hubs, where the wheels bolt on, are unique to the SVR, not the same as the R, V6, or other models. But the same hub is used on the SVR for steel or ceramic brakes.
#144
12-11-2018, 09:59 PM
If that is a picture from an XKR-S GT (I think it might be, can kind of see the handbrake cable), then i guess Jaguar fitted SVR hub carriers to them but if so then I presume only on the 2nd batch of cars that were built.
Because that's an SVR hub carrier, but the first batch of GT's had regular F-Type hub carriers with the additional bracket, and that's what's shown in the parts catalogue for the GT.
With such a limited run of basically hand-assembled cars in two separate production lots, they probably decided to save some money one the second round and use the SVR hub carriers and couldn't be bothered updating the parts catalogue.
Because that's an SVR hub carrier, but the first batch of GT's had regular F-Type hub carriers with the additional bracket, and that's what's shown in the parts catalogue for the GT.
With such a limited run of basically hand-assembled cars in two separate production lots, they probably decided to save some money one the second round and use the SVR hub carriers and couldn't be bothered updating the parts catalogue.
Last edited by Cambo; 12-11-2018 at 10:05 PM.
#145
12-11-2018, 10:04 PM
The drawing of the hub carrier of the SVR shows the hub on the carrier, so I guess maybe when you buy the hub carrier, it includes the hub already?
Parts catalogue is not really that clear.
There is no specific hub carrier shown for the Project 7, so I don't know...
Last edited by Cambo; 12-11-2018 at 10:07 PM.
#146
12-11-2018, 10:09 PM
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This seems like it's going to be more work than I anticipated doing the conversion. With so many variations ordering and assembling all of the parts could become expensive and time consuming, especially if I order the wrong parts or the carbon ceramic rotors arrive damaged.
Last edited by DGL; 12-11-2018 at 10:12 PM.
#147
12-12-2018, 05:33 AM
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Does this mean that if we were to swap out the carrier, we would have to swap to an SVR hub as well?
Last edited by Unhingd; 12-12-2018 at 08:37 AM.
#148
12-12-2018, 08:38 AM
For me, it was an adventure in proving I could do it. If you cannot park the car and work through the process, it might be best to not attempt. My approach was that I was willing to take the car off the road and assemble part by part as I researched and found the next missing part. Lots of patience with me and my local dealer parts guy/gal. Total project took a couple months of evenings and weekends in the dead of winter in a cold garage on jack stands. Maybe that helps your decision making. My experience is Jag has no interest in us doing this ourselves nor their dealers doing it for you. So, you are kind of on your own, but the forum will get you through it. Cambo was also of great assistance to me.
Lastly, I am now studying the possibility of building up an XE which would likely be an entirely new ball of wax as I am sure there will be even less info as to
how the brakes were integrated onto the Project 8. On a closing note, I have never experienced more stopping power than with CCB and I have never had them fade even in very hard mountain runs for over an hour at a time. Of course track use would be a better test, but tracking is not in my world.
Good luck with your decision making.
Lastly, I am now studying the possibility of building up an XE which would likely be an entirely new ball of wax as I am sure there will be even less info as to
how the brakes were integrated onto the Project 8. On a closing note, I have never experienced more stopping power than with CCB and I have never had them fade even in very hard mountain runs for over an hour at a time. Of course track use would be a better test, but tracking is not in my world.
Good luck with your decision making.
#149
03-12-2019, 06:24 PM
First post here.
Can I say what a great tread, thank you. Great to see people doing their own R&D, always great.
While researching this, do you happen to know if there are any part numbers on the Brembo calipers rather than Jaguar part number? also do you know if other car makers use these callipers?
I already have CC setup however I am looking into purchasing some brake pads, just wondering if I can get them at a sensible price from another supplier.
Interesting reading about Surfacetransforms as an aftermarket supplier of CC brakes will contact them and see if they do discs for the F type now.
Can I say what a great tread, thank you. Great to see people doing their own R&D, always great.
While researching this, do you happen to know if there are any part numbers on the Brembo calipers rather than Jaguar part number? also do you know if other car makers use these callipers?
I already have CC setup however I am looking into purchasing some brake pads, just wondering if I can get them at a sensible price from another supplier.
Interesting reading about Surfacetransforms as an aftermarket supplier of CC brakes will contact them and see if they do discs for the F type now.
#150
03-13-2019, 09:26 PM
First post here.
Can I say what a great tread, thank you. Great to see people doing their own R&D, always great.
While researching this, do you happen to know if there are any part numbers on the Brembo calipers rather than Jaguar part number? also do you know if other car makers use these callipers?
I already have CC setup however I am looking into purchasing some brake pads, just wondering if I can get them at a sensible price from another supplier.
Interesting reading about Surfacetransforms as an aftermarket supplier of CC brakes will contact them and see if they do discs for the F type now.
Can I say what a great tread, thank you. Great to see people doing their own R&D, always great.
While researching this, do you happen to know if there are any part numbers on the Brembo calipers rather than Jaguar part number? also do you know if other car makers use these callipers?
I already have CC setup however I am looking into purchasing some brake pads, just wondering if I can get them at a sensible price from another supplier.
Interesting reading about Surfacetransforms as an aftermarket supplier of CC brakes will contact them and see if they do discs for the F type now.
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#156
03-26-2019, 10:55 PM
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I've done some searching and the JLR part numbers for the CCM brake pads are:
Front T2R11420
Rear T2R11424
As mentioned elsewhere they cost a squillion.
BUT, the exact same brakes and pads are/were used on the 2014/2015 XKR-S GT, and the Brembo part numbers for the pads are:
Front 8994-D1763
Rear 8995-D1764
However I have not found any sellers let alone prices for these pads other than Alibaba who want a minimum order of 500!
Front T2R11420
Rear T2R11424
As mentioned elsewhere they cost a squillion.
BUT, the exact same brakes and pads are/were used on the 2014/2015 XKR-S GT, and the Brembo part numbers for the pads are:
Front 8994-D1763
Rear 8995-D1764
However I have not found any sellers let alone prices for these pads other than Alibaba who want a minimum order of 500!
#157
03-30-2019, 01:45 AM
I don’t need them yet only done 10,000 miles but as always I prefer to be ready when they are needed, I did pick up a set of so called new pads from eBay but when I received them they had loads of small cracks within the material, sent them back but took photos and think I took a drawing, will check.
#158
10-14-2020, 03:05 PM
I have an odd question.
There are some "brake upgrade kit's" in the catalog but not for the Carbon Ceramics.
Attachment 122546
The Carbon Ceramics are referred to as a 20" brake kit in the catalog, so it's not one of the ones listed above.
All the parts for the Carbon Ceramics are available to buy if you wanted to make the conversion, but I think it'll be more expensive to buy it all in parts than it would have been to option it on a new car.
I priced up the bits from the XKR-S GT a year or so ago, just a set of four rotors and pads were around $13k at retail prices. Then add the cost of the four main calipers around $5k, plus all the little bits and pieces needed (dust shields, bolts, hoses, and the handbrake parts) easy $25k in parts, without taxes...
And then you've gotta fit them...
Attachment 122546
The Carbon Ceramics are referred to as a 20" brake kit in the catalog, so it's not one of the ones listed above.
All the parts for the Carbon Ceramics are available to buy if you wanted to make the conversion, but I think it'll be more expensive to buy it all in parts than it would have been to option it on a new car.
I priced up the bits from the XKR-S GT a year or so ago, just a set of four rotors and pads were around $13k at retail prices. Then add the cost of the four main calipers around $5k, plus all the little bits and pieces needed (dust shields, bolts, hoses, and the handbrake parts) easy $25k in parts, without taxes...
And then you've gotta fit them...
#159
10-14-2020, 04:04 PM
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#160
10-14-2020, 04:43 PM