Exhaust Lacking on 2019 F-Type R Convertible! Any help?
#41
I'm in the exact same boat as AtTheJob. I had leased a 16 R vert and loved all the exhaust fireworks when feathering the throttle on overrun. I wanted a 19 R vert as Jaguar added ventilated seats - a very welcomed feature when driving a convertible with the top down on hot days. The dealer delivered the 19 on a flatbed while picking up the trade in at the same time - a very nice perk considering the nearest dealer is 3.5 hours away. Because of that, I didn't really get to take a test drive - a seemingly dubious task after driving a nearly identical car for the past three years. Anyway, the car is nice but I too am very disappointed at the lack of pops when lifting off the throttle. No, you can't rev it higher to force it to happen. No, it doesn't get better with Dynamic mode selected. No, it doesn't improve after time. No, it doesn't improve after the ECU adapts. No, it doesn't improve after the break in period or the after an accumulation of miles. Trust us, it's different, and not in a good way. While I always appreciate the info I get from other members here, there is also a lot of speculation and conjecture that feels sort of condescending at times (like now). If you KNOW what the problem is and KNOW how to fix it, we're all ears!
#42
I haven't talked to them yet. The car wasn't delivered until late this fall. I did drive it quite a bit before the snow came to Montana, but I'll have to wait until spring to bring it in for it's first service. The dealership is over 3 hours away and I have to drive over a mountain pass which is usually full of snow and sand/gravel until late April/early May. Yes, it's all wheel drive but I don't like all the rock chips that happen on winter drives here. Once I'm able to drive it over I'll call ahead and schedule a sit down with the manager to discuss options, although I don't know if he'll be able to do anything for me or allow me to experiment with the VAP tune, as it is (currently) a leased car. I'm hoping its a programming issue that could possibly be resolved, but I'm not an engineer so I really don't know. With all that being said, I have purchased several cars at lease end and would consider doing so with this car if we can get this issue resolved. It has all the features I have wanted and I have the means to buy it, but I usually like to "rent" them for a while before deciding. Some cars have been returned as they didn't live up to my expectations and some have been purchased and driven for years. The funny thing about this whole situation is that I was considering moving from my 16 F-Type R to the MB AMG GT-C, but loved the sound of the F-Type so much more.
#43
For what it's worth I went from a rifle volley inducing V8s to an SVR and like you I felt it was much quieter. I ran it in properly and can report now it's at least if not more pops and cracks than the v8s.
i was very disappointed at first but a few k miles in and it's back to form not sure why it's like that but here is mine https://youtu.be/I--CmS32STU stick with it. Fyi that's an MY18 SVR
i was very disappointed at first but a few k miles in and it's back to form not sure why it's like that but here is mine https://youtu.be/I--CmS32STU stick with it. Fyi that's an MY18 SVR
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#45
For what it's worth I went from a rifle volley inducing V8s to an SVR and like you I felt it was much quieter. I ran it in properly and can report now it's at least if not more pops and cracks than the v8s.
i was very disappointed at first but a few k miles in and it's back to form not sure why it's like that but here is mine https://youtu.be/I--CmS32STU stick with it. Fyi that's an MY18 SVR
i was very disappointed at first but a few k miles in and it's back to form not sure why it's like that but here is mine https://youtu.be/I--CmS32STU stick with it. Fyi that's an MY18 SVR
Last edited by JIMLIGHTA; 02-07-2019 at 09:46 AM.
#46
Originally Posted by VinceF-type
The same disillusionment for me. I took possession recently of my 2019 2.0L. and I am very frustrated because the exhaust makes almost no noise even in dynamic mode. At my dealer, they talk about 3,500 / 4,000 rpm and a few more km but don't believe it. Help me, help us.
To the others reporting this problem with a '19, what does your odometer read?
#47
Here is what it sounds like with the patch after the dealer screwed up my car. It's maybe 90% back to normal. The test is lively pops and crackles below ~3500 RPM. With the new software, you'll get a half-pop, then little energy as you wind down to idle RPM. Crappy phone audio, I know...
#48
Originally Posted by JIMLIGHTA
It's not an odometer issue. Flashing the new software made my 17000 mile 2014 quiet in an instant. Jag says the new software is quieter.
Here is what it sounds like with the patch after the dealer screwed up my car. It's maybe 90% back to normal. The test is lively pops and crackles below ~3500 RPM. With the new software, you'll get a half-pop, then little energy as you wind down to idle RPM. Crappy phone audio, I know...
Here is what it sounds like with the patch after the dealer screwed up my car. It's maybe 90% back to normal. The test is lively pops and crackles below ~3500 RPM. With the new software, you'll get a half-pop, then little energy as you wind down to idle RPM. Crappy phone audio, I know...
It is also absolutely true that these cars get more burbly after the break in. But we're talking 2-3k miles.
#49
I'm just trying to keep from conflating two issues. There was an issue with older model years that was software related after the K302 (I believe) campaign update. It was reported that it completely eliminated the overrun. That probably is what affected your 2014 car.
It is also absolutely true that these cars get more burbly after the break in. But we're talking 2-3k miles.
It is also absolutely true that these cars get more burbly after the break in. But we're talking 2-3k miles.
On a side note, the auto community cried foul when the F-Type "artificially" blew away everyone elses exaust note with ECU-created controlled misfires. Now, every manufacturer and tuner does it, except Jaguar apparently.
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#53
Bad news to report... I spoke to my local dealer last week and they just sent me an email today with the following (from the Level 4 tech in the shop)
"I got an answer from my guy in Mahwah. I appears the best we can do with the exhaust feedback is by using the Dynamic/Sport Mode. The fuel necessary for the back-talk apparently got us in Federal Emissions hot water.
Your gub'ment at work.
Sorry."
"I got an answer from my guy in Mahwah. I appears the best we can do with the exhaust feedback is by using the Dynamic/Sport Mode. The fuel necessary for the back-talk apparently got us in Federal Emissions hot water.
Your gub'ment at work.
Sorry."
#54
Bad news to report... I spoke to my local dealer last week and they just sent me an email today with the following (from the Level 4 tech in the shop)
"I got an answer from my guy in Mahwah. I appears the best we can do with the exhaust feedback is by using the Dynamic/Sport Mode. The fuel necessary for the back-talk apparently got us in Federal Emissions hot water.
Your gub'ment at work.
Sorry."
"I got an answer from my guy in Mahwah. I appears the best we can do with the exhaust feedback is by using the Dynamic/Sport Mode. The fuel necessary for the back-talk apparently got us in Federal Emissions hot water.
Your gub'ment at work.
Sorry."
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BS Alarm (02-12-2019)
#55
Bad news to report... I spoke to my local dealer last week and they just sent me an email today with the following (from the Level 4 tech in the shop)
"I got an answer from my guy in Mahwah. I appears the best we can do with the exhaust feedback is by using the Dynamic/Sport Mode. The fuel necessary for the back-talk apparently got us in Federal Emissions hot water.
Your gub'ment at work.
Sorry."
"I got an answer from my guy in Mahwah. I appears the best we can do with the exhaust feedback is by using the Dynamic/Sport Mode. The fuel necessary for the back-talk apparently got us in Federal Emissions hot water.
Your gub'ment at work.
Sorry."
In my '17 R, dynamic engine mode with exhaust open is noticeably louder than normal engine mode with exhaust open.
Maybe I should be thankful to my dealer on this particular matter, who hasn't done anything to my exhaust yet. My dealer always says "you are good! no recalls!" which I don't quite believe...
#56
The same disillusionment for me. I took possession recently of my 2019 2.0L. and I am very frustrated because the exhaust makes almost no noise even in dynamic mode. At my dealer, they talk about 3,500 / 4,000 rpm and a few more km but don't believe it. Help me, help us.
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#59
I pulled the F43 fuse, so my valves are open 100% of the time, which leads to unpleasant drone at highway speeds with the top up. I ordered the wireless F43 switch someone referenced in another thread to get around that issue a bit more easily than reinstalling F43. [None of this applies to the current model, I think.]
#60
I pulled the F43 fuse, so my valves are open 100% of the time, which leads to unpleasant drone at highway speeds with the top up. I ordered the wireless F43 switch someone referenced in another thread to get around that issue a bit more easily than reinstalling F43. [None of this applies to the current model, I think.]