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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 11:57 AM
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The 2 liter 4-cylinder is really just the thin end of the wedge (but in the positive sense of the phrase): two-thirds of the 3 liter straight-6 that will ultimately take over the upper echelons of the F-Type, albeit with a hellavu lot more horsepower than the simple volumetric scale-up would suggest. Like an E-Type on steroids (stop complaining and swallow the castor oil).
 
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 03:18 PM
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Rumor has it that a 6 cylinder ingenium (3L) will replace the V6 putting out close to 500HP
 
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 06:34 PM
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 07:17 PM
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You’ll also use less fuel than any other F-Type, with 7.2 litres per 100km a 16 per cent improvement on the base V6.
Yep. Because fuel costs are such huge concern for a typical F-type driver.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 08:02 PM
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Yep. Because fuel costs are such huge concern for a typical F-type driver.
Always the first priority on my list when deciding on a 2 seater sports car.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 08:14 PM
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Bear in mind folks that not all countries have cheap fuel. So an inexpensive F Type will fit the bill for some people that can afford the one off price to purchase the car but wish to have lower ongoing running costs.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 08:30 PM
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Agreed, we pay over $1.30 per litre here for decent fuel. I've never bought for fuel efficiency but I am getting 570km out of a tank in the V6S as opposed to about 440km in the XKR, which means less refueling, and that is welcome. Cost wise, it is rats and mice - a couple of hundred dollars a year difference - in petrol. But then insurance is cheaper, and registration is cheaper too. So the cost to run the 4 cyl f type in Oz would be at least $4K a year cheaper than the R.

On top of that is the price differential, the R costs over $230K, the 4 cyl will probably be $130K by the time you get one you want to drive. Ignoring tax benefits if you are self employed which would be higher on the R (though not proportionately as they decrease a little), just the interest difference alone on a 5% facility would be another $5K per annum.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 08:33 PM
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Oh the pain! We are currently sitting at $2.02/litre. Can you ship some over for us?
 
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 08:55 PM
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that's not fair, we have to drive a lot further to see anything good.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BruceTheQuail
that's not fair, we have to drive a lot further to see anything good.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BruceTheQuail
Agreed, we pay over $1.30 per litre here for decent fuel. I've never bought for fuel efficiency but I am getting 570km out of a tank in the V6S as opposed to about 440km in the XKR, which means less refueling, and that is welcome. Cost wise, it is rats and mice - a couple of hundred dollars a year difference - in petrol. But then insurance is cheaper, and registration is cheaper too. So the cost to run the 4 cyl f type in Oz would be at least $4K a year cheaper than the R.

On top of that is the price differential, the R costs over $230K, the 4 cyl will probably be $130K by the time you get one you want to drive. Ignoring tax benefits if you are self employed which would be higher on the R (though not proportionately as they decrease a little), just the interest difference alone on a 5% facility would be another $5K per annum.
For our Murican friends one litre = .26 of a US gallon, so a gallon is roughly 4 litres. And Bruce is being a bit optimistic with the cost here, for 95 octane (RON) "premium" fuel (minimum recommended on the F-Type) the price fluctuates a lot but at least here in South Oz it averages around $1.50/litre. For the good stuff, 98 octane (Shell V-Power, BP Ultimate etc) the average is around $1.60/litre.
So for basic premium petrol we pay roughly $4.50 US per gallon (current Oz $ = .75 USD), I dunno what you currently pay.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 07:00 AM
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I can see the case for the smaller displacement in markets where they have to sell gas/petrol in units of litres to avoid sticker shock at the price per gallon. A bit like those nutrition labels where they try and tell you there are twenty servings in the average tin of Pringles so you don't go into cardiac arrest reading the calories and salt ;-)

I can understand the V8 owners getting a little hot under the collar that this one is badged "R Dynamic" - not sure how they spun that one in marketing....

As PetrolPed in his YouTube video stated, as far as the cabin etc, it's not a cheapened out Jaguar F, all the same switchgear and fittings are present. He found it agile and responsive to drive claiming it was "more pointy at the front" than its siblings. The exhaust didn't have the same presence but did crackle and pop. Did I he prefer it to the SVR and V6 ? No, he said it wasn't for him but that doesn't invalidate it as a potential market. With economics today, anything that allows Jaguar to sell more units should be a good thing. At 50K GBP in England, it's still not a "cheap" car.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by stmcknig

I can understand the V8 owners getting a little hot under the collar that this one is badged "R Dynamic" - not sure how they spun that one in marketing....

the same way BMW sells "m-sport" package on non M cars and Mercedes has "AMG package" for non AMG cars. whatever it takes to get people excited
 
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by carzaddict
the same way BMW sells "m-sport" package on non M cars and Mercedes has "AMG package" for non AMG cars. whatever it takes to get people excited
Yes and Audi do the "S" line options on the regular A series that makes it look like an "S" model....

As you say, stirring the excitement pot at the expense of annoying the "real" R owners...
 
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 10:25 AM
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A Cheetah maybe, but no charging Jaguar that can carry an antelope straight up a tree.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Queen and Country
A Cheetah maybe, but no charging Jaguar that can carry an antelope straight up a tree.
I saw that you had been thanked 666 times, so I decided to thank you once more to help you escape The Legion of The Damned. But I still don't understand what you wrote....
 
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SCMike
I saw that you had been thanked 666 times, so I decided to thank you once more to help you escape The Legion of The Damned. But I still don't understand what you wrote....
much appreciated.
A hallmark of Jaguar the animal, and maintained by the car, was effortless authority. The ability to overtake without the drama of downshifting to find the powerband. An instantaneous powerful charge as opposed to a long run-up. Wonder how they will pull that off with a 4cyl.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 12:52 PM
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Torque and less weight are what help the mid-range acceleration.

The 2.0 litre is rated at 400 nm (295 lb. ft.) of torque while the 3.0 litre (s/c 340) is rated at 450 nm (332 lb. ft.). The 2.0 litre car's kerb weight is about 50 kg less.

I still say the 2.0 litre car must be driven to determine how it performs.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 01:15 PM
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Is it a square engine?
 
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Old Dec 13, 2017 | 03:10 PM
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It's under square: Bore and Stroke are 83.0 x 92.4 mm respectively.

Slightly longer stroke allows for a bit more torque and improved cylinder cooling due to forced induction.
 
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