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Old 02-20-2019, 11:47 AM
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I'm confused:



not tryna be a ******** but I really doubt a new long block from Jaguar is anywhere near as cheap as the used motors.
$15k for a new engine (after consideration and relief) with 100,000 miles left on it if far cheaper that $5k for an engine with 10,000miles left on it. As OP found out.
Do it on a per mile basis. (as ownership cost is typically calculated)
$15k for 100,000= 15cents per mile.
Or
$5k for 10,000= 50cents a mile. Or 3x more expensive.
+ Factor in the risk
+ Factor in the loss in performance.
Then factor in what car its going into...
That's like giving a best-of-breed 30 year old a heart transplant from a 70 year old. And you dont know if the 70 year old was a smoker, steroid user, cake eater or junkie.
Guess what...the reason someone is selling an old heart, is not because it was loved and lived a mishap free life.
 

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Old 02-20-2019, 11:49 AM
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Alright I will help.

Here is what I would do, go offer the service manager at the dealership $1000 to help you get an engine at their cost.
I would seriously study the laws of the country I was in prior to offering a bribe of any sort to anyone there.

In a Middle Eastern country, I would think prison time, a public flogging or a stoning, might not be a very pleasant experience.

 
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On a semi-related note...were these engines ever recovered? This story mentions them being recovered but does not go into any detail.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...aguar-14436847
 
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:23 PM
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In a Middle Eastern country, I would think prison time, a public flogging or a stoning, might not be a very pleasant experience.
Only for the sharmutas
 
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Queen and Country
$15k for a new engine (after consideration and relief) with 100,000 miles left on it if far cheaper that $5k for an engine with 10,000miles left on it. As OP found out.
Do it on a per mile basis. (as ownership cost is typically calculated)
$15k for 100,000= 15cents per mile.
Or
$5k for 10,000= 50cents a mile. Or 3x more expensive.
+ Factor in the risk
+ Factor in the loss in performance.
Then factor in what car its going into...
That's like giving a best-of-breed 30 year old a heart transplant from a 70 year old. And you dont know if the 70 year old was a smoker, steroid user, cake eater or junkie.
Guess what...the reason someone is selling an old heart, is not because it was loved and lived a mishap free life.
quite a lot here to unpack, I'll try it line by line:

Originally Posted by Queen and Country
$15k for a new engine (after consideration and relief) with 100,000 miles left on it if far cheaper that $5k for an engine with 10,000miles left on it. As OP found out.


but what makes you think it's going to be $15k for a new engine? so far the best price that's been shown is $25k....

Originally Posted by Queen and Country
Do it on a per mile basis. (as ownership cost is typically calculated)
$15k for 100,000= 15cents per mile.
Or
$5k for 10,000= 50cents a mile. Or 3x more expensive.
there is a significant logic break here. if we agree the life of the engine is 100k miles, why would he buy a 90k mile engine when there are so many for sale with low miles on them out of wrecked vehicles? Let's say he spends $10k on an engine out of a 4,000 mile car...
like this one:
F-type r AWD died engine-qnynuue.png

so now the question is $10k for a 4,000mi engine or $25k for a 0 mile engine.

$10k / 96,000 miles = $0.10/mile
or
$25k / 100,000 miles = $0.25/mile

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+ Factor in the risk
the new motor would have to be a dud twice in order for the risk to equalize

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+ Factor in the loss in performance.
difference between a 0 mile engine and a 4000 mile engine is negligible at best

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Then factor in what car its going into...
That's like giving a best-of-breed 30 year old a heart transplant from a 70 year old. And you dont know if the 70 year old was a smoker, steroid user, cake eater or junkie.
well its a car not a person....I don't really understand the point here, it's the same engine regardless of whether its new or used. its not like the rest of the car is brand new with no wear on it and he's gonna put in a 250k mile engine with 20% leak down....

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Guess what...the reason someone is selling an old heart, is not because it was loved and lived a mishap free life.
or someone's selling an old engine because someone else couldn't handle 500hp w/ RWD and spun around into a tree totaling out the car. It's almost like there's an entire industry based off of stripping and selling parts off of wrecked exotic cars.
 

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Unless the OP understands why his engine was destroyed in the first place (his overfilling with oil and perhaps ignoring the suggestion not to drive the car at all...) then even $10.00 spent on a replacement engine will be $10.00 wasted.
 
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Originally Posted by addict
difference between a 0 mile engine and a 4000 mile engine is negligible at best
That type of thinking can get you into trouble as OP found out.
There is a day and night difference
A used engine even with 4000 miles could be out of a flood damage car.
It could have been pulled due to mechanical problem.
Miles reported could be totally bs.
It wont have all the latest upgrades. (for instance the vital water pump upgrade)


None of those risks exists with a new one.
Just the opposite there is a warranty, that is not a junkyard warranty.
What do you think will happen if he finds out after importing that its not perfect. Its not like the junkyard will send him a new one!

As for the price. Read this thread. A forum member was quoted 14k Pounds. And this was with the consideration and mercy from JLR. And that is the point- he got a new engine for used engine price.
https://www.jaguarforum.com/showthre...t=timing+chain

 
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Originally Posted by sov211
Unless the OP understands why his engine was destroyed in the first place (his overfilling with oil and perhaps ignoring the suggestion not to drive the car at all...) then even $10.00 spent on a replacement engine will be $10.00 wasted.
Sov211, I slammed the door pretty hard on the kid's fingers and now paying my dues.
In all reality if it had jumped time, it was doomed regardless of the oil mistake.
See my thread link from above.
 
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Originally Posted by Queen and Country
That type of thinking can get you into trouble as OP found out.
There is a day and night difference
A used engine even with 4000 miles could be out of a flood damage car.
It could have been pulled due to mechanical problem.
Miles reported could be totally bs.
It wont have all the latest upgrades. (for instance the vital water pump upgrade)


None of those risks exists with a new one.
Just the opposite there is a warranty, that is not a junkyard warranty.
What do you think will happen if he finds out after importing that its not perfect. Its not like the junkyard will send him a new one!

As for the price. Read this thread. A forum member was quoted 14k Pounds. And this was with the consideration and mercy from JLR. And that is the point- he got a new engine for used engine price.
https://www.jaguarforum.com/showthre...t=timing+chain
simple vin check verifies why the car was written off and the miles -- pretty easy to verify the engine is in working order [most yards will send you a video of the engine running from before disassembly].

additionally, if you buy the engine and its not as described, you can file a credit card dispute [this has been done other times on other forums].

w/ the engine out of the car the vital water pump upgrade is about 3 minutes. I'm quite sure the shop swapping the engine in would be more than willing to swap over a water pump for him.

that thread was four years ago who knows what the cost would be today or what his relationship with the dealer was. That said, if he can get the dealer to replace his engine for $18kUSD [£14k is roughly $18kUSD] he should definitely do that.

doubtful JLR will have mercy on a salvage title rebuilt car though.
 
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Originally Posted by addict
if you buy the engine and its not as described, you can file a credit card dispute [this has been done other times on other forums].
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Right there you made a good point.
Used engines are sold not as described.
No such roll of the dice with a new engine.
 
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Originally Posted by Queen and Country
Right there you made a good point.
Used engines are sold not as described.
No such roll of the dice with a new engine.
lol that is not what I said.

I said, IF an engine is not as described.

ya know, the whole a square is always a rectangle but a rectangle is not always a square.

are you always this thick?
 
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are you always this thick?
That's the first time a man has given me that compliment.

 
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Hi guys
i will replace my short engine block with Vogue 2014 used one.
cuz my crankshaft pistons damaged
 
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Mohammed that will work, remember the oil pan is different.
 
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Originally Posted by Queen and Country
Mohammed that will work, remember the oil pan is different.
hi bro ty for ur reply

can uExplain more ?
Which oil pan i have to replace ftype new oil pan or old rr oil pan
 
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Originally Posted by mohammed m

hi bro ty for ur reply

can uExplain more ?
Which oil pan i have to replace ftype new oil pan or old rr oil pan
Print and show this document to your mechanic, he will understand.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/a...hmentid=141962
 
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Originally Posted by addict
additionally, if you buy the engine and its not as described, you can file a credit card dispute [this has been done other times on other forums].
YMMV, but I wouldn't count on this.

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