F-Type ( X152 ) 2014 - Onwards

Running extra quart of oil for track

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 21, 2021 | 08:52 PM
  #1  
Amit Patel's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
From: Santa Clara County, California
Default Running extra quart of oil for track

Hey guys! Planning on tracking my 2016 F-Type R for the first time this weekend and I wanted to do an oil change before I do. My buddy runs a N54 powered BMW and his track buddies recommend adding an extra 0.5 to even a full quart for track to ensure the oil pick-up doesn't run dry on long sweepers. Was hoping for some advice on if that is a good idea for the F-Type too.
 
Reply
Old Apr 21, 2021 | 09:17 PM
  #2  
Hell Cat's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 174
Likes: 60
From: San Diego, CA
Default

Originally Posted by Amit Patel
Hey guys! Planning on tracking my 2016 F-Type R for the first time this weekend and I wanted to do an oil change before I do. My buddy runs a N54 powered BMW and his track buddies recommend adding an extra 0.5 to even a full quart for track to ensure the oil pick-up doesn't run dry on long sweepers. Was hoping for some advice on if that is a good idea for the F-Type too.
No direct experience on this, but I probably wouldn't recommend it. These cars seem to be particularly sensitive to variations in oil volume.
 
Reply
Old Apr 21, 2021 | 09:41 PM
  #3  
Amit Patel's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
From: Santa Clara County, California
Default

Originally Posted by Hell Cat
No direct experience on this, but I probably wouldn't recommend it. These cars seem to be particularly sensitive to variations in oil volume.
Thanks Hell Cat, thats what I was worried about too but also thinking it shouldn't hurt for the weekend.
 
Reply
Old Apr 21, 2021 | 10:45 PM
  #4  
zach05855's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 548
Likes: 271
From: Calgary Alberta
Default

When you add too much oil, the excess oil will go towards the crankshaft, and as the crankshaft rotates at a high-speed, the oil is mixed with the air and ‘aerates’ or becomes foamy. This foamy texture of the oil acts like a bad lubricant, and the oil is not pumped effectively. Over time, the engine will be starved of proper lubrication

 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2021 | 07:28 AM
  #5  
JacksonvilleJag's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2019
Posts: 839
Likes: 280
From: Jacksonville, FL
Default

^This
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2021 | 12:48 PM
  #6  
eeeeek's Avatar
Veteran Member
5 Year Member
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 1,615
Likes: 754
From: Granite Bay, CA
Default

Originally Posted by Amit Patel
Hey guys! Planning on tracking my 2016 F-Type R for the first time this weekend and I wanted to do an oil change before I do. My buddy runs a N54 powered BMW and his track buddies recommend adding an extra 0.5 to even a full quart for track to ensure the oil pick-up doesn't run dry on long sweepers. Was hoping for some advice on if that is a good idea for the F-Type too.
It is better to run .5 too low than .5 too much. It would be a horrible idea to overfill the oil.

NOTE!!! I am not saying to run too low. I'm just saying too much oil is a bigger problem than too little oil to a point. Obviously, running way too low will be catastrophic, too.

Run the exact right spec. Run what Jaguar recommends.
 

Last edited by eeeeek; Apr 22, 2021 at 12:51 PM.
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2021 | 02:03 PM
  #7  
Carbuff2's Avatar
Veteran Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 2,248
Likes: 928
From: Exit 30 in NorthWest NJ
Default

Is the F-Type oil pan baffled? The baffles lessen the chance of oil starvation.

We instructed an F-Type owner at Watkins Glenn back in 2019, no issues with stock components...
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2021 | 04:51 PM
  #8  
OzXFR's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 9,020
Likes: 3,658
From: Adelaide, South Australia
Default

Originally Posted by Carbuff2
Is the F-Type oil pan baffled? The baffles lessen the chance of oil starvation.

We instructed an F-Type owner at Watkins Glenn back in 2019, no issues with stock components...
Yes.
From the AJ133 Technical Training doc:
"Reduced oil foaming • Structural baffle plate".

 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2021 | 05:32 PM
  #9  
SinF's Avatar
Veteran Member
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 6,986
Likes: 2,157
From: Canada, eh
Default

I suggest flushing brake fluid and servicing brakes prior track.

Also, don't over-inflate tires - as you drive tire temperature (and pressure) will go up. If you start at 38 PSI after few hot laps you might end up as high as 45. If tire pressure gets too high, tires will start losing grip.
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2021 | 07:11 PM
  #10  
Amit Patel's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Junior Member
Joined: May 2019
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
From: Santa Clara County, California
Default

Appreciate the info and advice .. Im not going to take any chances to upset anything.
 
Reply
Old Apr 22, 2021 | 08:29 PM
  #11  
Whatsnext's Avatar
Senior Member
5 Year Member
Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 596
Likes: 133
From: AZ
Default

I would have an extra quart with you and check during track time and add accordingly.
 
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2021 | 04:23 AM
  #12  
planet_FType's Avatar
Member
Joined: Oct 2018
Posts: 51
Likes: 24
From: Southern UK
Exclamation

Owner's Handbook: Oil overfill - Do not drive the car.
As zach05855 says, you can't pump foam.
 
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2021 | 05:34 AM
  #13  
Unhingd's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 16,948
Likes: 4,728
From: Maryland, US
Default

It’s all been said, but: Add extra quart...BAD IDEA!
 
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2021 | 09:36 AM
  #14  
Dwight Frye's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Jul 2020
Posts: 826
Likes: 372
From: Occupied California
Default

Originally Posted by SinF
I suggest flushing brake fluid and servicing brakes prior track.

Also, don't over-inflate tires - as you drive tire temperature (and pressure) will go up. If you start at 38 PSI after few hot laps you might end up as high as 45. If tire pressure gets too high, tires will start losing grip.
Screen shot below from the 2021 owners manual. I find it confusing. It seems counter-intuitive to increase pressures for very high speed driving, and on the other hand, they suggest much lower pressures for "closed road" conditions which I assume means track conditions. I won't be tracking my car nor driving it over 174 MPH but I assume that their "closed road" example is maybe for autocross or track conditions that don't allow ***** out straightaways where your car could reach speeds in excess of 174 MPH.


 
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2021 | 11:12 AM
  #15  
Carbuff2's Avatar
Veteran Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 2,248
Likes: 928
From: Exit 30 in NorthWest NJ
Default

Its easy:

track driving with high-G forces, heats up the tires more.

High speed Autobahn driving doesn't increase pressure as much. BUT stability is better with less sidewall flex. <--- which I'm sure isn't much with 20" wheels

++++++++

The important thing is 'hot' tire temperature. On our other car, the manufacturer specifies a higher COLD inflation on street6-driven situations, but suggests letting air OUT (cold) for track.

If you ever watch NASCAR, they start low after a tire change, with the front splitters dragging until the tire temps increase.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
reznik6044
F-Type ( X152 )
41
Nov 10, 2020 07:27 PM
peppersam740
F-Type ( X152 )
7
Jan 5, 2020 03:50 PM
mp_x152
F-Type ( X152 )
12
Sep 16, 2018 09:42 PM
alexg
F-Type ( X152 )
3
Jul 14, 2016 10:58 PM
JaguarXKR
XK8 / XKR ( X100 )
9
Nov 28, 2013 10:29 PM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:04 AM.