post #33 shows two photos: one shows stains on the ground and the other shows stains on the metal bed of a flatbed, with no sign of an F-Type in either photo (displayed on my large computer screen, not my iPad, not my iPhone)...so the photos are proof of nothing at all.

 

I count 3 pics, the 2nd of which looks (to me) very much like the rear of a V6 in Italian Racing Red and with a gloss back diffuser.

 

The third photo juuust shows a tiny bit of F-Type V6 exhaust tips right at the top, I was counting this as photo with some F-Type in it.
Easy to see on my PC with a 28" HD monitor, maybe not so easy on phone or small tablet.

 

And why didn't you prove anything then? Why should I pay your replar bill? You have WARRANTY, you could have the car fixed by the dealer if it wasn't because you called JLR making all sorts of threats (and you still would get you car fixed for free). Looks like you owe $5000.00 to the members of this forum... I just saw this comment and it looks like you are quite a big man with offering money and/or asking someone else to pay to fix your car.

 

Can we back to discussing if F-type could malfunction in a way that would result in raw fuel leaking out of exhaust.

 

I can easily see it happening, but not if the engine is running smoothly. The fuel would be originating from somewhere else. That much fuel running through a cylinder would have caused hydrolock, seizing the engine and pounding out a bearing or throwing a rod. All of our speculations are of little use without a lot more information.


Maybe the OP is reluctant to take it to the nearest dealer because they are 110 miles away.

 

 

This is what I think as well in 'always on' injector failure case. The car would run very rough, but if it is idling in the garage you might not notice it. Plus you would have fuel in oil if it didn't fail suddenly and completely... so if you at all checked oil level, you would notice overfill.

If this is fuel, it must be coming from elsewhere other than engine exhaust ports.

 

+1.

 

^ that seems the most likely given the limited info

 

If there was enough gas to physically leak out of the exhaust, and a fire occurred, how is the car still in one piece? I've seen a Lambo burn to the ground just from spitting a brief flame, you're telling me that fuel running the length of the exhaust didn't create enough flame to catch anything else on fire? How did your wife put out the fire?

 

 

Now you are beginning to sound like the Jaguar rep. If I had access to a Jaguar F-Type, really, its clearly an F-Type with a puddle of fuel coming from it.

I will be getting rid of this car. So it's not in my best interest to show any identifiable pictures of the car. I don't have anything against Jaguar. What king of an idiot takes pictures of a car and then tries to sell it. If Jaguar doesn't buy it then it will be a legal battle. The car will be sold, I will move on. In the end it will cost me nothing. I am not the least concerned about recovering damages with what has transpired here.

Did you look and find that the injectors are being replaced in sets of 6? Did you find they are really hard to find as I stated?

Exactly what kind of ownership are you looking for? I am certainly not going to post a picture of the title, however if you offer pay the repair I will give you the shops number and you can call them. You can let someone that has been in the performance car service business for over 25 years tell you exactly how much raw fuel was coming out and how he has never seen anything like it either. He will tell you what may have happened if the car was running at highway speeds and the pulled of on an exit ramp.

Jaguar does not make fuel injectors. Bosch does. Its their failing injectors that caused the initial problem. Its Jaguar's poor ECM programming that failed to detect it.

I do have a video of the fuel running out, and I am going to post it on youtube.

 

Nobody called Jaguar and made any threats. The first sentence on the phone was are there any open recalls or safety recalls on this vehicle. There is a serious problem with the fuel delivery system on this car.

I don't want this car. Whatever transpired here is dangerous. It isn't a matter of getting it fixed for free. I have no problem paying for it.

I said instead of everyone posting why its impossible for raw fuel to run out, put up $5000.00 to an escrow company and we will prove it happened. A state licensed certified auto mechanic can tell you that it did indeed happen.

People this happened. In the end this is a potential problem. Its a warning. Take it or leave it.

I don't see anyone disputing the fact the injectors are being replaced in sets of six? I don't see anyone disproving that they are out of stock everywhere.

When Jaguar began talking with someone in the background is when they lost the ability to be the first person to see the vehicle. I offered to have them come to my home and see it before it was towed, they declined. I would have video taped it running with the Jaguar rep in the background while fuel poured out. Then they could take it, no worries. But to treat me as they did and then let them be in the drivers seat, that wasn't going to happen.

 

No doubt there is fuel in the oil. Seriously though a car idling for a few minutes while most of the fuel ran out of the exhaust valve into the exhaust is hardly going to raise the oil level. The fuel has to get past the rings. There is no other path into the exhaust. for god's sake people how can there be. There is only one way fuel runs out of a tailpipe. Thru the injectors.

When the piston goes up the fuel like the exhaust gasses are going out the easiest way. Not around the rings. Surely enough fuel could cause a hydro lock.

The injector(s) stuck open enough to make the engine misfire and the raw fuel to exhaust. Its pretty simple. Now they are no longer using this injector. Why not?

 

Bizarre. You are 100% sure it is a fault attributable to JLR engineering defects - so why won't you give them the car and get paid out. Which brings another question - if it caught fire, surely you call the insurance company to report a claim and they deal with it? Has that happened?

Your behavior is strange in the extreme. Regardless of attitude on the call, who was lurking in the background in the call - what does it matter if you don't have anything to hide?

I don't imagine you will post with any further clarity on this subject other than stating once again that we need to put up $5k to prove something or another, and that this is really dangerous, and that we all need to watch out.

Good luck with whatever outcome you are looking for and we won't hold our breath for anything further that resembles meaningful information from you or allows us to take any threat to our cars seriously.

 

The fuel in the pipe is being forced out by exhaust pressure. Light a can of hairspray on fire and ask yourself why the can doesn't blow up. Very simple the pressure pushes the flames back. The idiots with the Lambo's spray fuel onto a very hot exhaust pipe. This car was idling and you can touch the pipe with your hand.

Again if the car went from freeway speeds and then went to idle this would have been a much more serious problem. I am fortunate it happened while idling.

Again look up your cars fuel injectors and try and buy one. Maybe later cars this has been corrected. Instead of trying to shoot the messenger heed my warning. Call Jaguar, tell them your VIN and see what they tell you. This was a 2016 V6-S serial number under 15000.

 

Now, now...don't go fueling the desires of people to get into a fiery debate.

 

 

First of all I have a lot of cars. To suggest I call my insurance and ask them to pay anything is absurd. I didn't even turn in the flatbed.

I haven't had an auto damage claim in 15 years, why would I claim something that had nothing to do with any fault of my own. Then let them have cause to raise my rates over a repair bill by an obviously flawed automobile.

People on here post why its impossible for this reason or that. I guarantee none of the people making those claims are any kind of engineer. I am a PE. I testify in product liability cases as an expert witness. So with that said if any other engineer can explain why this is impossible please chime in. So that's why the $5k challenge. Its simple put your money where your mouths are.

Why would I hide anything? Seriously people, call Jaguar, give them your VIN. Maybe your car is updated with different injectors. If so move on. If you have an early 2014 F-Type do some homework. don't shoot the messenger. This car is under serial 15000. V6-S. IT HAS A PROBLEM.

And there will be further clarity FYI. The car is in the shop right now. Just not Jaguars.

Truth be told there are hundreds of shops with repair technicians with much more experience that those at JLR.

This would be the equivalent of letting a crime suspect investigate his own crime. They declined to come to my home and see it.

In the end I will know what happened. Those that haven't left crappy comments can PM me when its over.