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Old Apr 17, 2018 | 12:22 PM
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Whatever the outcome YOU will not hear the final resolution. That I guarantee.
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Old Apr 17, 2018 | 12:28 PM
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If we send this, fellow, $10k, he may then share the rest of his story with you. $5k is just too little. Let's send him $10k.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2018 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lizzardo

I'm compulsively helpful by nature, but don't see that I can be of assistance here.
I read most threads on the F Type forum, like you I always try to be helpful, partly because it's my nature and partly as the community has been helpful to me and I like to support other owners or potential owners.

Having read this thread and numerous posters who questioning has been met with a somewhat confrontational response from the owner with the problem I am inclined to the view that I can't help.
 
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Old Apr 18, 2018 | 01:26 PM
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I've actually found this whole thread fascinating. It has reminded me how much I don't know and how much I miss tinkering with old cars (maybe I will switch my tinkering over to the vintage motorcycles in our garage at the moment). I know I can't help anyone, but I am curious to see how it turns out.
 
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Old Apr 18, 2018 | 07:14 PM
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I've actually found this whole thread fascinating. It has reminded me how much I don't know and how much I miss tinkering with old cars (maybe I will switch my tinkering over to the vintage motorcycles in our garage at the moment). I know I can't help anyone, but I am curious to see how it turns out.
The f-Type lends itself quite favorably for tinkering. So far the possible modifications are multiplying exponentially, driven in large part by the efforts that some of our forum members have taken directly with various vendors.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 11:30 AM
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Oh, I know there are mods that can be done, but for now she's too new for me to want to mess with her (I still have the stupid grin every time I drive) and newer cars with all the computers make me nervous to work on myself. Besides, that hesitation would be a good reason to get a project car to play with. Then it would be a win-win situation I think. We may need to build another garage. But first I need to get my motorcycle license and we need to get my starter bike running and the slab poured and awning/pergola/whatever structure we're building to keep my car covered. I'm also still going through older threads to catch up on what all I don't know so it will be a while before I have an idea of the mods I might want to try anyway.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PBBarb
Oh, I know there are mods that can be done, but for now she's too new for me to want to mess with her (I still have the stupid grin every time I drive) and newer cars with all the computers make me nervous to work on myself. Besides, that hesitation would be a good reason to get a project car to play with. Then it would be a win-win situation I think. We may need to build another garage. But first I need to get my motorcycle license and we need to get my starter bike running and the slab poured and awning/pergola/whatever structure we're building to keep my car covered. I'm also still going through older threads to catch up on what all I don't know so it will be a while before I have an idea of the mods I might want to try anyway.
I hear it on good authority that our resident [genius] pioneer - a.k.a Unhingd (note that he is missing an "e", and perhaps other "spare parts"; i.e. a screw loose) - might be hired out to cater to Bar Mitzvah's and modifications*.

Of course I could be wrong.

*It's not like he's doing anything.
 

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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 02:02 PM
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I had (maybe will still have, but it's been cleared up) CEL problems for at least 2 months. It was somewhat annoying constantly going in, but they finally figured out it was due to fuel injectors failing, and it was dumping raw fuel into the catalytic convertor and exhaust, violently shaking the car. I would have to turn it off, then back on, to reset the issue.

I was 15K before end of warranty, now about 10K. They fixed the issue, even tho it was difficult because they couldn't find which computer was throwing the codes, and when the fuel issue was happening, it was a blinking check engine, not solid, so they couldn't even figure what computer it was coming from.

I was super friendly, nice, patient, and understanding. The Dealer *must* have some indication of the issues, etc, and they need a helpful, friendly person to patiently allow them the bureaucratic process and time needed to figure out the situation. It took at least 6 trips for me, total, before it was resolved, and then resolving the CEL issue which kept coming back on. It seems fine now.

There was a reddit thread from some odd bird that was renting his F-Types, and one caught fire. But there's almost zero record of any other fires, etc.

That's about all I can offer. It takes a village, and it's a partnership between you, the dealer, and Jag HQ worldwide. It's not always a simple thing, but working together you will get this resolved.

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Hi, welcome (back) to the forum, I'm a moderator here.

Your posts were automatically flagged for moderation by the forum software, probably because prior to today you hadn't posted anything for a while, and only had four posts in total, so it might have looked odd to the system.

I have now approved your posts, and merged them into this thread.

This forum is not affiliated with Jaguar Land Rover, it's owned by an independent internet company with zero ties to JLR. So if you're expecting to get some "results" from making noise here, it's probably not going to have the desired affect. The moderators are volunteers, just Jaguar enthusiasts, we're not paid for this...

Sounds like you've had your cage rattled, but your cryptic posts are going to make people suspicious.

"When she returned a few minutes later there was gasoline running out of the tailpipe and a incident occurred."

Incident? Could you try to be any less specific?

The codes you post, P300, P304 P305, P306 are for misfires on cylinders of one bank of the engine, as is the P1315 "persistent misfire".

P00C6 is Fuel Rail Pressure Too Low Bank 1, perhaps from a fuel leak at the rail or a fault with the mechanical high pressure pump on that side.

P228F-85 Fuel Pressure Regulator 1 Exceeded Learning Limits- Too High - Signal above allowable range, Damaged/worn high pressure fuel pump, pump failure, etc...

So yes, there was/is a fuel problem... using my internet telepathy I'm going to guess that there was a fault with one of the high pressure fuel pumps, and overfuelling of one engine bank as a result. Seems pretty hard to believe that liquid gasoline would make it out the exhaust pipes though...

I've not heard of it happening myself, but there's a first time for everything?

"Next will be the video links under Jay Leno's F-Type videos on you-tube, all these forums etc" well, that's a great philosophy, threaten everyone with bad PR!

If you've got a problem with Jaguar, then take it up with Jaguar, this forum is not Jaguar.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SinF
Lets assume good faith reporting by original poster and not what it looks like (trying to get rid of the car by manufacturing a problem and getting JLR buyback).

He mentioned injectors, and we do know that these occasionally fail. Could a failure of multiple injectors lead to fuel coming out of exhaust? I don't see how, but it doesn't mean it is impossible.

Lets say these injectors failed in a way that continuously dumping raw fuel and unburned fuel is getting dumped into exhaust. Lets say catalytic converters are cold and not burning it off. Could it actually make it to the tail pipe?
Being a mechanical philistine, the dealer told me 2 (possibly 3) fuel injectors failed and needed replacement. When researching the issue of the violent shaking of the car, weird sounds from the muffler, etc.... most people did suggest my engine was dumping raw fuel into the catalytic converter, and that was very bad. But this was happening while driving, engine fully hot, and no fires. So the fuel burnt off, or something.... but the idea of it making it all the way out of the back of the car seems very unlikely?
 
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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SinF
This is what I think as well in 'always on' injector failure case. The car would run very rough, but if it is idling in the garage you might not notice it. Plus you would have fuel in oil if it didn't fail suddenly and completely... so if you at all checked oil level, you would notice overfill.

If this is fuel, it must be coming from elsewhere other than engine exhaust ports.
When my fuel injectors had failed, and this situation was happening, the car would shake so violently upon pressing acceleration.... but if I was idling, I would hear just the faintest, ever so slight "pop pop pop" that sounded like a clogged muffler. If you weren't paying attention, or didn't know about an issue, you could miss it. If you love the sound of your car, you would likely notice some odd "note" or change, but it could easily be missed while idling.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by awjens
Here's the raw fuel running out video....

https://youtu.be/kGvqWI185Hs
This thread is contentious, and I am late to it. I am not defending OP or the way he chooses to resolve concerns. At all. But, wow. That popping sound is precisely the sound my failed fuel injector problem sounded like.

Here's mine: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Muk7IcH1XRcVhRus2
 
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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 03:08 PM
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"That's not right" cracked me up. Mostly because I said it in my head and then heard it out loud. Thank you for sharing. At least now I know what to start looking at if I ever hear something like that. Also as an aside - is there someone here who DOESN'T love the sound of their car? That's part of the perpetual grin when I'm driving. I'm still being terribly obnoxious playing with the various notes and sounds.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RickyJay52
might be hired out to cater to Bar Mitzvah's and modifications*.

Of course I could be wrong.
You're close. My business card reads: "Mods and Brises...I can do them with my eyes closed."


I can do just about anything with a good set of tools.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Unhingd
You're close. My business card reads: "Mods and Brises...I can do them with my eyes closed."


I can do just about anything with a good set of tools.

UNHINGD
MOHEL & MODIFICATIONS
 
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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 08:42 PM
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"EXTREMELY dangerous situation. One that warrants limited cooperation. Anyone a party to the conversation I had with JLR and hearing them immediately mention legal issues would understand why it has to be approached in this manner."

Posts about it on a public forum
 
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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 09:17 PM
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I'd have gone with this instead.

 
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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 09:31 PM
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My choice:


 
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Old Apr 19, 2018 | 09:59 PM
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Mine was just the first thing that came to mind, but I don't want to get a fuel/fire song conflagration going. I thought of another two in quick succession without any effort at all.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2018 | 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by lizzardo
Mine was just the first thing that came to mind, but I don't want to get a fuel/fire song conflagration going. I thought of another two in quick succession without any effort at all.
Go for it. The original thread topic has burnt itself out.
 
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