[font][font][QUOTE = R_Rated; 1875085] Pensé en agregar un poco de color después de leer las primeras páginas ... [/font][/font]

[font][font]Primero, pasé de un XKR a un 911 C2S. [/font][font]Me encantó el jag y el cambio se debió más al hecho de que el concesionario dañó mi automóvil y terminó emocionalmente con la marca después de tener que llevarlos a la corte (y gané 3 veces los daños en el comercio minorista por cierto). [/font][/font]

[font][font]Jag nunca tuvo la intención de competir con Porsche. [/font][font]Quiero decir, mira lo pesado que es y a Jag no le importa. [/font][font]Es por eso que hay cantidades frívolas de cosas superfluas como respiraderos mecánicos. [/font][font]Esos motores tienen peso, solo un ejemplo. [/font][font]Los medios lo han enfrentado a Porsche porque Porsche es EL punto de referencia para los autos deportivos: al igual que un M3 siempre será EL estándar en los sedanes deportivos de 4 puertas. [/font][font]Realmente no se pueden comparar.[/font][/font]

[font][font]Jag es objetivamente más bonita, tan objetiva como puede ser la apariencia. [/font][font]El 911 no es exactamente un auto atractivo ... pero el F Type no es XKR IMO El Jag es un muscle car de lujo que se puede apresurar en las esquinas, pero este conjunto de habilidades nunca se acercará al de un Porsche. [/font][font]El sobreviraje es un rasgo primario del Jaguar, aunque mucho mejor que el primer lote. [/font][font]El Jag compite más con Aton IMO y es mejor objetivamente en todas las formas cuantificables. [/font][font]No está hecho a mano, por lo que un Seiko (un buen Gran) supera a un Rolex ... [/font][/font]

[font][font]Tanto Jag como Porsche solicitan emociones y personalidades muy diferentes y son muy excepcionales por sus propios derechos.[/font][/font]

[font][font]La potencia también es MUY diferente y una de las razones por las que amo mi 911. Está bastante modificado, pero todavía tiene relativamente poco torque. [/font][font]PERO, la cosa revuelve sin fin y puedo controlarla MUCHO mejor, especialmente dada la diferencia de peso de 1K libra. [/font][font]El Jag simplemente no era divertido en carreteras secundarias con el par de torsión 5.0 soplado y el sobreviraje incontrolable, una vez más, mejoró mucho las nuevas irregularidades y especialmente el AWD. [/font][font]Al igual que el estilo, la entrega de potencia es probablemente una personalidad que le gusta o no le gusta. [/font][font]Los nuevos Porsches tienen muchos más bajos con los turbos, pero ni siquiera están cerca del Jaguar. [/font][/font]

[font][font]Extraño a mi viejo Jaguar cada vez que conduzco a las montañas, pero una vez que estoy allí ... el 911 es el rey. [/ CITA][/font][/font]

I am a happy owner of R 2014 but my desire to know Porsche makes me consider the change to a 718 S. I know that the sound will make me cry, a lot, but all that technology focused on enjoyment I have to try it. I'm 39 years old, I don't go to the circuit but I do go to the mountains every weekend. I really enjoy the glorious V8 although many times he wants to kill me. There is no doubt that so much weight is not going well between 2nd and 3rd curves ... That's why I think of 718 S. I only do a trip with the R, it is 100% car to enjoy so your GT touch is not so necessary ... Will I regret the 718? I would not hesitate to reprogram it to get 400 cvs and a push similar to 550 Jag.

Glad to read to everyone

 

By manufacturer spec a 2020 718 has 300HP/280TQ stock, so acceleration (F=MA or A=F/M) is 280/3050 compared to an 2020 R with 550HP/502TQ or 502/3814. So the Jag has 1.43x the 718's acceleration. You could tune both.

 

[font][font][CITA = RacerX; 2137478] Según las especificaciones del fabricante, un 2020 718 tiene 300HP / 280TQ stock, por lo que la aceleración (F = MA o A = F / M) es 280/3050 en comparación con un 2020 R con 550HP / 502TQ o 502/3814. [/font][font]Entonces el Jaguar tiene 1.43x la aceleración del 718. [/font][font]Puede sintonizar ambos. [/ QUOTE][/font][/font]

The 718 S has 350 hp, tune is 400 for the real 1,420 kg of the Cayman compared to the 1,780 that my R weighed without gasoline. Take the bills and together with the gearbox you will see that little Porsche is not far away. The way to deliver them and the sound will never be comparable

 

PS: My Jag gets 30 hp with VAP ... Don't get me wrong, I love my R but I want to try something more effective. I have tried a TTRS. It is better in many things, in the majority! But surely the Audi is worse.

 

On a pedantic note, Jaguar's spec is 550PS, so only 543bhp.

 

Thats a little more like it. Still not comparable $ for $ though. It's amazing that I can't find a 718 S on Dragy. The fastest verified 718 is 4.50/12.79 seconds.

 

My last 2 toy cars have been Porsche. The first a 996 twin turbo 911 and the last one a 997 S. I loved both cars and was going to get another but the Jaguar was on my list of potentials. I haven't put many miles on the R but I do love the sound of the V8 and the feel of the car. It sure isn't a Porsche but again not sure that is a bad thing.

 

after having my custom 2017 Jaguar F-Type R convertible for 3 years, and 3 engines (plus a multitude of other issues) over a period of 16k miles (odometer ended with 18k miles and some change), i decided it's time to call this car a "wash" and keep driving my 2017 911 Turbo S Cabriolet. The Jaguar was a fun car, but the problems i had were horrible. they started around 2k miles and went from there, pretty regularly - 3 engines, 2 water pumps, front axle, steering column, and a few other electrical issues. i owned it from mile 1 and never drove it excessively hard or raced it. it was always kept in perfect mechanical order when it wasn't broken down. lol

has anyone else had anything like this experience happen to them?

 

Thankfully, no. Did they lemon law it? If not, how'd you get rid of it?

 

it was covered every time under the factory warranty, but it was in the shop more than i drove it. the last repair was the third engine replacement, and i just said enough already. they replaced it and i unloaded it for 2k more than market price, as it had so many custom options and upgrades. i hate to say it, but let the next owner be frustrated with it. who knows, maybe it'll never have another issue. i kept telling myself that after every repair though. lol

i tried to get it under the lemon law, but each failure was caused by a different issue. the first failure was the water pump and main bearing before i even had it past the break-in period. the first engine failed due to the engine oil level sensor failing and always causing it to report "OK" levels when it was actually low. they reported that the second engine was due to faulty valves. the third engine failure was un-known - SMH!

all in all, i wouldn't buy another one. my 911 turbo-s cabriolet is much more fun. the jaguar was fun when i was able to actually drive it. they would have it for a couple of months at a time when it failed.

 

That was my concern buying a Jaguar as historically they have been known for a very unreliable car. My Porsche was always rock solid. I had a couple minor issues with each one but all in all they were a solid car. I am hoping the same for my F Type and hoping your situation was more of an anomaly than anything.

 

Holy smokes, this is an old thread. I apologize, for keeping it alive. Former Carrera S owner. I guess I have nothing to add that hasn't already been said. The Porsche is a better handling car, I loved the feedback and the manual tranny. I felt like when I was in 'flow' in that car, I was invincible. However, the Jag is still my favorite. The interior is much better, and the the noise, the power... it has this direct connection to the 13 year old in me. The F-Type is the only car so far that makes me laugh out loud when I drive it.

I should add, I lost an AJ133 to coolant pipe failure. No issues like that w the Carrera.

Still miss that Porsche.

 

It's that outdated belief among the uninformed that makes Jags such a bargain when buying used. The F-Type is my fourth "modern" Jag and they've all been as reliable as my Japanese Nissan, which was voted "most reliable car of the year" some time back. While no car is ever going to be 100% reliable, Jaguars are no less reliable overall than other makes, IME.

 

Had Porsche never go back had all sorts of problems as did two of my colleagues even insulted by the dealer as a recurrent problem was told I didn’t know how to drive a performance car didn’t get an apology when they discovered problem

 

In the UK driving a Jaguar gets you much more respect than driving a Porsche, especially after the banking crisis!

 

Haven't owned one but I rented a 991 S while cross shopping the two. That car was definitely quicker (although with my VAP pulley/tune coming in.. might be a different story) and that chassis stability was just wow, but the price, curb appeal, and personality of the Jag won me over.

 

You found the 911 S quicker than the Jag? Must be the Jaguar 6 cylinder model because I know my R is faster than the 911 S, not only from driving one (owning one) but also the listed 0-60 listed times on each. I have to say I love the Jaguar look but the 911 is still a timeless piece to me.

 

The way porsche prices has always put me off. When I bought my "12 SLK AMG 55 I shopped against Boxter S. Merc came out $10k cheaper!

 

Yeah, "ugly" never dates!

 

The 911 is a beautiful piece IMO. I couldn't buy a Boxter S nor a Cayman S simply since I wanted more HP so the 911 S or Turbo was my goal. I had a 996tt and loved the car-so many options; tune, exhaust, intake and they add nice HP. The S has much less options for adding HP but still so much more than the Boxter or Cayman. I hope to plant another Porsche in a few years next to the Jaguar.