I noticed that the ebay scammers are using a picture of this car in one of their fake listings.

 

How do these guys actually scam people then? I see that they have thousands of vehicles listed, and it's obviously very suspicious. But how do they scam people, surely if they turn up and there's no car, they aren't going to pay, and if they bid, then Paypal will get involved. Why doesn't eBay do something about this?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/janeyjomp...p2047675.l2562

 

The second picture in the listing is an e-mail address and basically they want you to contact them directly where upon they will convince you that they have the car but you can't see it before paying for it (for some obscure reason) so you have to bank transfer the money to them where upon all communication stops.

The scam basically relies upon peoples greed that they are going to get something really cheap, 99.9% of people realise this is a scam but a very small number of people will fall for it and the scammers get a few grand for very little effort. Most of the adverts seem to be on accounts with a lot of good feedback so I assume they have hacked the account and ebay will rely upon people reporting that these are scam items.

 

Photo is from the listing when I bought it - this is the fourth or fifth time I've seen it listed by scammers on ebay since then! First few times I reported it, but just pops up under a different userID again so given up. As you say, if there's a single photo & an e-mail address, it's a scam. E-bay "classic cars" is full of them.
It does look good in the photo though 😍😍😍, but I paid a bit more than £6k for it!!!
Ref. Corrosion, I've arranged a few more estimates over next few weeks & take it from there.

PS: How's this for a Jag? My uncle's 3.8 Ltr Mk 1, Castle Coombe, 1975. 😍😍😍

 

I've always wanted a MK1 but so far they have eluded me.

Once you have got more quotes find out exactly what they are going to do and price up the cost of panels and work out how much you would save by doing it yourself, it might make the decision easier. So far my MK2 owes me around 5.5K including buying it and that will be enough to get me up to ready to primer stage. I think it will be 6K by the time I've painted it and then I need to fully rebuild the mechanical parts but mine was really bad on the body (although I bought a lot of panels from e-bay or at the Jaguar spares day which has kept costs down).

When its finished I will know exactly what has and hasn't been done.

 

I bought my S Type from a guy who had started a restoration and then ran out of money. He had bought the car for £3500. Then he spent £2500 on body panels and a further £2500 having them (poorly) welded on to the shell. I gave him £4500 for the car and spent a further £6000 correcting the faults, rebuilding the engine and gearbox, reconditioning all the brakes and subframes and respraying the car. I was either very lucky or I did my homework first. Buy the best you can with the money you have but expect to pay more than you budget for in the restoration.

The scam with the classic cars is an old one normally involving an Eastern European gang but still relevant and prays on the greedy. If you look at all the cars for sale the main giveaway is that they are all photographed in different locations. Borrowed photos from genuine sales. You see the car for sale and know it is worth say £50k but is up for £30k. Reasonable but not stupidly priced like £5k. You contact the owner and he states that he has several people interested and there is no time for a viewing he is just trying to clear stock. If you want it you need to put a small deposit down now, refundable if the car is not what they say it is and the first one to put the deposit down will be sold the car. Greedy people will do just that, pay a small deposit of say £200 to get a car £20k under market value. Once the deposit is paid you hear no more, deposit gone along with the other 10 deposits collected by the seller on the same car. £2000 per car collected via deposits and he is trying to sell over 2000 imaginary cars. With enough greedy people he could be making £4 million a week.

 

Ah, where are all these gullible people when I'm trying to sell legitimate items on ebay. .

 

an older man in the UK fell inlove with the pictures of a Daimler MK-2 that was listed in ebayUK as a complete restoration.

he did not inspect the car in person. .

promises were made by seller, and the car was delivered after payment was made.

car had a number of mechanical, sheetmetal, and, paint issues which caused the buyer to complain to seller that this was not the car in the pictures.

you can guess the rest of the story.

 

That could have gone either way, where it was a complete restoration, but it was not stated what the quality of the restoration was, and there for the buyer didn't have a leg to stand on.

OR

The car was not as described and the seller got his money back, or a reduction in price, but the problem there is that the buyer has to prove that the car was not as described to get a refund _ which isn't right, sort of like guilty until proven innocent.
In the end, if the buyer isn't happy, then anyone should be allowed to return and item, but in the end, even if the buyer was allowed to return the car for a refund, there is always an argument who gets to pay for the shipping and even the original cost of the shipping the first time around.
It can and does get pretty ugly.

Do you know what happened Jose ?

 

the buyer said he was going to sue but I don't know what happened. He had the car inspected and they found countless problems. He did this after the sale, not before as he should have.

 

Hi
the car looks very nice
I would get it done bit at a time maybe,
you would not have to have a full respray as you are only doing the very bottom of the car
sounds buy the the price they want to do it,
they don't want to do it,
if you buy all the new bits its still 2 weeks work to weld up,3 grand should do it,
plus painting plus new bits.