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XJ-6 rack conversion in MK-2 and S type

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Old Sep 2, 2017 | 11:03 AM
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I have fitted an XTYPE rack on my mk2,that is 4" smaller then the xj rack,so longer rod
ends.home made brackets,350 discs, xjs uprights, 6 pot clippers,bmw 19" wheels.
not on the road as yet
 
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Old Sep 9, 2017 | 10:09 PM
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That sounds like it will be a huge improvement!

Hope you can post some instructions/pictures on how you got it to all work?
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Old Sep 10, 2017 | 12:01 PM
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Default rack and pinion on the pre '68 saloons/sedans

It would be interesting to hear feedback from those who have fitted a power rack conversion to their cars. for my part experience is limited.. I almost purchased a 'home converted' 420 in Uk back in '73... the owner adapted an XJ6 rack and stated that it worked well apart from easily induced tire squeal on corners.. no doubt due to geometry being off . this same issue is reported by some today.. I noted the Mk2 I recently converted has this very issues with the kit supplied by Xks unltd.. there are 'other' kit avaiblae utilising different jaguar parts.. some use the later XJ40 rack and 2 separate brackets to mount it to subframe( rather then one as on the Xks unltd supplied kit) the issue of geometry being 'off' can be addressed by using rack that has similar pivot points to the original set up.. IF the issue is a serious one (i dont think it is) I have yet to alter the upper links to increase castor angle.which will add feel and make the steering centre more strongly, but am very happy with the result so far.. it turns in much more responsively and feels more positive overall..plus the assist is just the right amount. now I feel the need to replace the old dos box and the clutch with a later diaphragm type to make more improvements to driving experience .. where does one say " the car is now 'satisfactory' and I dont need any more upgrades" ?
I also noted..there is currently Daimler v8 250 sedan for sale on ebay..with what appears to be retro fitted power steering.. the pump fits on TOP of engine and the alternator bracket looks to be a vast improvement over the original factory offering ( dynamo bracket on the 2 1/2 litre daimler V8 sedan was APPALLINGLY bad.. a very poorly designed afterthought..whish is almost laws cracked and broken on the welds... power assisted steering had an equally **** poor bracket design.. that fitted to a modified r/h front engine mount.. I suspect the conversion on car mentioned is a kit by Vicarage in Uk.. they tend to do things 'right'.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2017 | 08:05 PM
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As I stated in my previous post, "I agree that XK's Unlimited has the worst customer service and I stopped buying anything from them due to their poor service.

For power steering contact Jag Outlet, Terry at 800 706-5247 They have a very good power steering rack bracket that works well. I have their power steering setup and another Jaguar MKII in my area also used the same setup and there are no issues. "


Terry @ Jag Outlet sells a good bracket and will sell the rest of the bits for your full power steering conversion and it works with no problems.
 
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Old Sep 11, 2017 | 08:33 PM
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Ive seen the jag outlet bracket listed on ebay .. under $300 as i recall..its the self same bracket as is used by Xks unltd in their conversion kit, which utilizes the XJ6 series 3 steering rack..
My comments :- you'd probabaly be better off buying a more modern kit which is 'complete' and ready to bolt in ..
but if you want to take the do it yourself route, and dont mind fabricating the small parts and are prepared to spend the extra time to get it all dialed in right ,then the bracket from jag outlet and a rebuilt XJ6 rack with shortened tie rod ends might work for you.. the flex lines are easy to make up.. the linkage between rack and upper steering column requires fabrication .. or purchases one from Vicarage or one of their retailers..
I will try a vicarage kit next time.. either from SNG barratt or another major supplier.. Engle imports/terrys jaguar seem to have good stuff.. as does welsh enterprises.. no more kits from XKs unltd.. costly , incomplete and sub standard parts.. all in all poorly executed and not good value..
 
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Old Sep 11, 2017 | 08:53 PM
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the bracket the Jag Outlet looks similar to the one on XK's but the angles are different and do not have the issues that the XK's do
 
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Old Sep 11, 2017 | 09:09 PM
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"the bracket the Jag Outlet looks similar to the one on XK's but the angles are different and do not have the issues that the XK's do"

are you certain of this ? the bracket itself , is i think OK.. the angles seem to be OK ..there is not much room to get angles 'off'.. if the rack were mounted lower it MAY help the bump steer issue (which seems not to be problem on my car ) and the other critical angle relates to where pinion emerges and its angle in relation to the column .. given the tight spaces there is not a lot of room for 'differing' angles.. were one to rake the rack back further to decrease angle of pinion..it would shift the joining linkage further back.. which would mean additional cutting and likely some welding to make strong again..
I' d like to hear more opinions as to the 'downsides' .. the only issue i have now (after initial problems.. which i have since resolved now that i have decent quality components) is slight tire squeal in tight turns.. its much nicer to drive than it was with the original set up..more precise, assist just right and better feel overall..
 
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Old Sep 14, 2017 | 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by tjt77
"the bracket the Jag Outlet looks similar to the one on XK's but the angles are different and do not have the issues that the XK's do"

are you certain of this ? the bracket itself , is i think OK.. the angles seem to be OK ..there is not much room to get angles 'off'.. if the rack were mounted lower it MAY help the bump steer issue (which seems not to be problem on my car ) and the other critical angle relates to where pinion emerges and its angle in relation to the column .. given the tight spaces there is not a lot of room for 'differing' angles.. were one to rake the rack back further to decrease angle of pinion..it would shift the joining linkage further back.. which would mean additional cutting and likely some welding to make strong again..
I' d like to hear more opinions as to the 'downsides' .. the only issue i have now (after initial problems.. which i have since resolved now that i have decent quality components) is slight tire squeal in tight turns.. its much nicer to drive than it was with the original set up..more precise, assist just right and better feel overall..


Yes the Jag Outlet bracket has the correct angles and the XK's is different. The issues arise when people do not do the installation correctly and/or other old worn items are not changed during the upgrade. I think power steering upgrade is often a modification best done by a shop familiar with modifying non power steering to modern racks and is used to making minor tweaks to ensure everything works correctly. I will get the cost of what Terry sells a complete kit with bracket, the correct year power steering rack, hoses, etc. and post it. I do not think it is advisable to just buy the bracket as many other parts need to be changed to ensure it works right. There should be no noises so you might have a slight issue? My car steers fine and I am running 245 wide tires in the front and rear. I also recommend using Red Line synthetic power steering fluid and a power steering cooler.
 
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