Hi All
can someone tell me if I can run a 4.2 v8 s type engine in another car without the ABS,
thanks,

 

If you're asking, then I'd probably say no.

 

Yes you can. No connection between engine and ABS.

 

Er, false!

There's a connection via the CAN bus on which there are many things such as speed values. Whether the PCM requires them I don't know but it definitely uses them - see the elec guide near its end.

Why do you want to know?

 

If the OP is going to install his engine in a different car type that does not have ABS (a resto rod?) where the engine gets turned back into 'an engine' and not primarily a support system for a computer array then it's possible.

The question is vague enough that I may have the wrong end of the stick.

 

Can you post more details?

Anything can be done but can it be done without spending cubic dollars?
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yes use the engine in a rod, with only some of the jag stype wireing,
be good if it can be done,
thanks all.

 

You'll need the autobox. Probably unreasonably hard i.e. not viable.

 

yes engine and box,

 

And the immo-related modules.

 

>yes use the engine in a rod

Sorry, but that is a silly idea and wondering why you would ever consider it. Too many electrical components needed with a modern engine and it would be considerably expensive to try to engineer a solution.

Better to buy a GM crate engine.

Air, fuel, spark, bang, nothing else needed.

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He might have got it VERY cheap. Maybe 100s GBP ($100s), which I imagine a crate engine would not be.

 

Short answer, YES, if you know how to reprogram the engine's ECU and BCM so that it will not look for the ABC/TCS CAN based control module. (Plus all the car's other control modules that will no longer be present. Speedometer, transmission, fuel system..., List is pretty long last time I looked at it.

As far as I know, not many Rodders or performance oriented ECU hackers have cared to hack and modify the programming of the ECU used in the S-type. (A few LS owners have played around with their ECUs)

One other thing these engines have that make it harder to run aftermarket engine control systems is "Variable Valve Timing" I believe there are a couple very expensive control systems available now, but you'de still have figure out the timing curves to run the engine correctly.
If you didn't have to deal with VVT, there are several good aftermarket engine control systems that you could use to run the engine.

 

I started thinking a bit, that since the poster's name is "DaimlerMK2" Perhaps he is looking into trying to swap a more modern AJ-V8 4.2 engine into an MK2 Jaguar. Interesting concept.

If this is his intent, I see a lot of challenges.

- If the engine fits in the engine compartment, next he'll have to figure out a transmission that will work in the car and mate it to the engine.
- If the engine fits, he'll have to fab and install all the peripheral support items. exhaust, fuel delivery system, drive shaft, mounts, air intake, engine oil cooler, trans cooler, radiator with cooling fan and perhaps secondary water pumps.
- Then he will have to figure out how and what he wants to do regarding the electrical: Aftermarket control system? Harness swaps? ECU programming?
With a 4.2, this will be the make/break for the conversion.....

Joe

 

>He might have got it VERY cheap. Maybe 100s GBP ($100s), which I imagine a crate engine would not be.

That may be but he is going to be faced with a very high cost (both money and time/frustration) in trying to do it.

Sell the 4.2, get a crate motor, and have at it.
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Both are a given in the world of hot rodding. I hope the OP goes through with it.

 

If I wanted to do something along these lines - as if! - I'd keep every item unless impossible - electrical, electronic, the lot. The whole set of multiple computer networks. Remove any that left it working, which may not be many modules but will be plenty of sensors and actuators (but no powertrain ones). I'd start with the 4.2 car and disconnect the ones that seemed highly likely to be unneeded (er, electric window motors, that kind of stuff). Get down to a large set all of which are needed whether desired or not.

Definitely going to be keeping all engine items and the trans. Probably GECM, ICM, RECM, FPM, etc, as well.

I'm not convinced it'd be wise but it'd be fun...

Can't say I'd want to go near a GM crate engine but hey others may like that.

 

thanks guys,
yes I hope to put the lot into a mk2 shell,
I have the ABS stype hubs on the front of the mk2 pivots now,
and will try and do the back,it needs 140mm cutting out,70mm per side,
I think as you say try and use it all.

 

I have seen a STR engine used in a street rod. Used aftermarket electronics as no one has broken the Jaguar engine control systems. Can't remember what he did for the transmission.

Very unique build!
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