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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:07 AM
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Angry Jaguar's idiotic locking logic

I've spoken about some of this on here before but today I discovered yet another stupid thing they do.

If the driver's door is open you can't unlock the other doors with the switch on the dash.

Has anyone found a way around all of this idiotic programming? Any hackers out there?

I did get the automatic locking turned off by the dealer.

The trunk can't be opened from inside the car unless it's in park either.

This has caused some yelling and screaming bouts in my household and I just wonder if there's anything I can do about it besides installing a parallel control system to operate all of the locks? That would be a lot of work.
 

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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:14 AM
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I just unlock the other doors with the remote when I am in that situation. It is very stupid indeed.
 
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Old May 31, 2011 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Staatsof
I've spoken about some of this on here before but today I discovered yet another stupid thing they do.

If the driver's door is open you can't unlock the other doors with the switch on the dash.

Has anyone found a way around all of this idiotic programming? Any hackers out there?

I did get the automatic locking turned off by the dealer.

The trunk can't be opened from inside the car unless it's in park either.

This has caused some yelling and screaming bouts in my household and I just wonder if there's anything I can do about it besides installing a parallel control system to operate all of the locks? That would be a lot of work.
Bob,

I'm not sure on your car, but when I open up the driver side door, all the other doors automatically unlock. This is when the car is running though.

The trunk logic is due to lawyers most likely. They don't want the trunklid popping opening if the car is moving.
 
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Old May 31, 2011 | 08:53 AM
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Even on my old '95 there is a mystery to the electric lock logic.

I can't remember the exact scenarios but there have been times when a prospective passenger was waiting (in the rain, invariably) to be let in but I couldn't unlock the doors...the dashboard button being defeated by some sort of logic. I always ended up opening MY door to unlock the passenger door.


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Old May 31, 2011 | 08:56 AM
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Yep, potential legal hazard is the reason for the trunk release not responding when the transmission is not in park. Maybe an inconvenience for us at times, but it was the right design for Jaguar to choose....
 
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Old Jun 1, 2011 | 05:24 AM
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Yep, potential legal hazard is the reason for the trunk release not responding when the transmission is not in park. Maybe an inconvenience for us at times, but it was the right design for Jaguar to choose....
Oh that's just overly cautious BS. It's the only car I've ever had that did this. So the rest of the manufacturers were all uber stupid and got their pants sued off?

If the car is not moving what's the difference? As it is now I can still drive off with the trunk open anyway.

NO, all the rest of the doors do not unlock when the driver's door is opened.
That sounds completely illogical.

Oh well, every car has some quirks I suppose. The more computerized they become the more idiot software engineers dream up ways to "help" us.
 
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Old Jun 1, 2011 | 06:15 AM
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I believe you can have the trunk set by a delaer the way you sound to want.

You already appear to have had the door locks set differently to mine.

I wouldn't want either of your desired settings btw
 
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Old Jun 1, 2011 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Staatsof
Oh that's just overly cautious BS. It's the only car I've ever had that did this. So the rest of the manufacturers were all uber stupid and got their pants sued off?

If the car is not moving what's the difference? As it is now I can still drive off with the trunk open anyway.

NO, all the rest of the doors do not unlock when the driver's door is opened.
That sounds completely illogical.

Oh well, every car has some quirks I suppose. The more computerized they become the more idiot software engineers dream up ways to "help" us.

The global unlock can be set by the dealer to unlock all with even a partial pull of the drivers door pull. That setting and the logic would depend on where you normally operate the car. I could see in some less savory environments where you wouldn't want that. Mine was set to do it, but I don't go to downtown places at 2AM so really am not concerned about being car jacked. So, when I would pick up the kids, once I opened my door all of them would unlock.

Honestly I don't get the frustration over the trunk release. As long as the car is running, all the buttons worked on mine. The remote, inside, and the trunk mounted. If the car was unlocked, the interior and exterior buttons worked. With the car locked, the remote would open the trunk without unlocking the car. I really can't think of a scenario where you would need to open the trunk when the car was in gear..

BTW: The 300 is the same. You must be in park for the trunk release to work. One nice thing is you can program global lock and unlock for the remotes and when driving or parking. The sucky thing is there is no lift slot or exterior release or key slot. So, if power dies, the only way into the trunk is through the folding seat...yet, like the S the battery is in the trunk! Uggg..
 
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Old Jun 1, 2011 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by JOsworth
The global unlock can be set by the dealer to unlock all with even a partial pull of the drivers door pull. That setting and the logic would depend on where you normally operate the car. I could see in some less savory environments where you wouldn't want that. Mine was set to do it, but I don't go to downtown places at 2AM so really am not concerned about being car jacked. So, when I would pick up the kids, once I opened my door all of them would unlock.
Jeff,

That's the way my car is set up. If I pull on the driver side door pull, all the other doors unlock, engine running or not. If I'm opening up the door from the outside with either the key or remote, I can unlock the other doors by first locking the driver inside door switch and then unlocking it.

However, if you want convoluted logic try driving an Audi. If given a choice between a simple operation or a complicated operation, the Audi engineers chose the complicated operation all the time.

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Old Jun 1, 2011 | 04:29 PM
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I already explained the scenario once on here. I don't need a safety nanny.
This is the first car I've had that does this.

Monday we were in Newark and Belleville. So like you said open the driver's door and everything unlocks? I don't think so.

I don't put the car in park when I'm quickly picking someone up. It's a very fast pace here. If it's pouring rain and the trunk needs to be used or just a quick entry folks get impatient. I catch hell.

I did ask about the trunk and they said no but maybe they don't know?
I can live with being non op if the car is moving. They clearly know the difference between moving and just being in gear because that's when they lock the car.

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The global unlock can be set by the dealer to unlock all with even a partial pull of the drivers door pull. That setting and the logic would depend on where you normally operate the car. I could see in some less savory environments where you wouldn't want that. Mine was set to do it, but I don't go to downtown places at 2AM so really am not concerned about being car jacked. So, when I would pick up the kids, once I opened my door all of them would unlock.

Honestly I don't get the frustration over the trunk release. As long as the car is running, all the buttons worked on mine. The remote, inside, and the trunk mounted. If the car was unlocked, the interior and exterior buttons worked. With the car locked, the remote would open the trunk without unlocking the car. I really can't think of a scenario where you would need to open the trunk when the car was in gear..

BTW: The 300 is the same. You must be in park for the trunk release to work. One nice thing is you can program global lock and unlock for the remotes and when driving or parking. The sucky thing is there is no lift slot or exterior release or key slot. So, if power dies, the only way into the trunk is through the folding seat...yet, like the S the battery is in the trunk! Uggg..
 
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Old Jun 1, 2011 | 04:56 PM
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Yours is set differently to mine and apparently others. Maybe get yours changed. I also can use the driver's door handle as described.

Almost for sure the trunk can be set as you wish if a dealer knows how (i.e. has a clue about how to use the equipment they own). It's the way taxis work and for other cars I've met it's just a setting.

The security-conscious kind of trunk setting was the same on my last car (a Ford from before the S-Type was made) so I figured it must be the not-so-modern design.
 
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