At the current price I won't buy (or steal). At a sane price I'd buy. Right now I'd get a tom tom or garmin or whatever. Navteq make nothing out of me at the current price and that will stay the case plus I'll remember how they behave forever.

 

Navteq has a fairly precise and tight pricing model....Price = Total cost to prepare/Total of that type vehicle - those who won't buy for some reason). The cars that have a cost for discs less than others would have a larger population of cars. There are a relatively small number of Jags and that affects the cost upward.

I looked at the Navteq site at the Mercedes and found their updates are $249.

If the navigation units installed in autos were standardized, the price would likely drop.

 

Boy I can't believe this thread is flying this low on the radar, 4 pages and no mods????

 

We're just talking about the situation. Now if there were technical information on duplication being exchanged etc. then it would be trouble.

As for the $249 for the Mercedes disc and volume argument I say WTF? I think Mercedes outsells Jaguar no?

If it weren't for the fact that this is such a tecnologically old unit it might be more acceptable. I'm just not using mine and if really wanted to use one on a daily basis I expect that I'd want one with traffic alerts given where I live.

Bob S.

 

sorry to grave dig here fellas.. my navi hasnt been working since i bought the car.. did anyone ever get to make a "backup" of their legaly purchased disk.. if so, id like to "borrow" one in hopes of getting my all white sat nav screen to work properly. id be more then happy to pay for your kindness..

 

That may well not restore it. There's a PDF which details how (usually) to fix a blank screen.

But - worth a try except I'd use a guaranteed original disc. Last thing you need is another complication. Maybe try an old (say 2005) one.

What seems to happen is that the NCM/NAVCM (nav control module) loses its firmware (software). At that point it will not even talk down the network in the car, which tends to fool jag dealers - they mostly just don't understand computer networks. So, your task is to get the firmware reloaded.

To read the various PDFs, see the forum sticky. You'll see you appear to be looking for a specific disc. I think only dealers have it but it may also be that later nav discs also contain the firmware.

 

I've got a spare NAVTEQ 2008-2009 (Version BH) disk. It's the original, not a copy. PM me.

 

Good offer! Well worth trying.

 

So it appears that there are various disks out there that contain the updated road data and possibly firmware enhancements. I build industrial control systems that often use HMIs (Human Machine Interfaces) that provide the user with input / output. I'm currently looking to buy that special Jag and part of the requirement is to get the car with the NavTeq unit in the belief that I can re-work the display to inlcude more information such as trouble codes and engine performance data. Maybe simply replacing it with something more elaborate; yet retaining the original functionality. We have four Garmins of various vintages and the old 250 Nuvi is as good as the newer 1490. The 1450 LMT is useless - Keeps recalculating thinking there is a traffic problem I'll be looking at the Magellan units - They seem to boot up a lot faster. Re-working a tablet PC sounds like a cost-effective idea, especially if its running Android or Linux. Without the schematics and manuals for the system, I can't determine how the display is interfaced to everything. Maybe someone has more information available or some pointers to suitable places?
Thanks for all the input!

 

I purchased the update for my car. Mine still had the 2005-06 DVD in it and was missing a ton of roads. It was $200. I noticed it updated the firmware of the unit as well...it took well over 20 minutes to complete. They changed around the main page of the nav as well..mine works great!

 

SimoCat - JTIS (workshop manual - Search for more) has lots of data and elec diagrams. But not the internals of any module (I think that's normal for cars now). Also, be sure not to trust it 100% as like most such there could be the odd error.

 

Is this the one you used 1X43-10E898-BJ?

Does anyone know if that is still the most recent version?

Another note here as well. You can't pull the DVD from a later model jag say a 2008 S-type and use that in an earlier car because it lacks the required firmware upgrade on the DVD for your earlier MY vehicle. Some unscrupulous used car types pluck these from cars at auction etc and then make copies to peddle on Ebay. They won't work.

 

Odd - people have reported doing exactly that with success. Maybe the copies don't work for firmware.

 

My copy did, I run a copy of my 2009-2010 disc in the car so my original stays pristine, I lent the disc to a couple of folks at a meet just so they could get the firmware upgrade - worked perfectly.

 

Actually doing it = ideal answer!!

 

I think you may have missed my point?

If it's an original (came with the car) it doesn't have the firmware upgrade on the disc so if you're trying to use it in a car that hasn't as yet received the upgrade it doesn't work. I've spoken with and seen cases of this on this forum.

Ask Mafiso about his experience with this.

If on the other hand you have an upgrade version then it should work just fine. So I imagine if it's properly copied then it will work just fine.

At least that's the situation some have come across over here in the USA. It's certainly a good way to ensure you buy an update version or a copy of one and there are far fewer of the updates out there as compared to originals.

That's one reason to be leery of the Ebay copies of the latest version you see offered.

George and I had a discussion about this a while back.

 

So each year has 2 versions: "OE/full" (came with the car) and "upgrade"? And only the upgrade has the firmware? Sounds so unlikely.

 

It explains why a couple of people couldn't get the copy versions they made to work on their cars and it does make sense to a company like Naviteq or perhaps Jaguar for some additional profit?

 

I'm more inclined to wonder if the copies were not quite being done properly (copy protection maybe).

 

That's what I thought at first. There was something special about the Jag's discs that thwarted efforts to copy them or the people copying them made inaccurate copies. After talking with George and another friend of mine who works in that industry George told be about the firmware upgrade issue. It makes perfect sense to me. There were half a dozen people who I found that had issues with this not working. I can't believe everyone of them made botched copies? What DJDEX reported is perfectly consistent with that as he was working with an upgrade copy.

What I'm curious about is the changes in interface design that 08Z06 reported.