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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 03:32 PM
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I went to get a wheel alignment and the tech told me that my rear camber is way misaligned out of spec. He said theres nothing he can do because its not adjustable.

Iv'e searched a few websites and dont see where i can purchase a rear camber! Also if its not adjustable how did it become so misaligned or out of spec? Im just looking for any advice or help on how to deal with this issue thanks!!
 
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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 05:33 PM
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What year and model? Is it out of warranty?
 
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 12:25 AM
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What year and model? Is it out of warranty?
2010 xf premium and its out of warranty
 
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 07:57 AM
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That seems odd, but you should be able to find aftermarket rear camber kits. They make them for most cars. I had to buy them for my old TL Type-S because the factory settings were causing me to eat through tires like crazy and it couldn't be adjusted enough with factory equipment to fix it.
 
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 08:32 AM
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Was the car lowered? If not, it's possible there is damaged or worn suspension components. I'd doubt both sides would be out if that were the case though. Did the tech give any indication of what was causing it?
 
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 12:52 PM
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Was the car lowered? If not, it's possible there is damaged or worn suspension components. I'd doubt both sides would be out if that were the case though. Did the tech give any indication of what was causing it?
No the tech didnt say what was causing it he just said it needed to be replaced and he looked online and he couldnt find it for sale through his sellers. He also told me i had to replace my front lower control arm which im in the process of doing now. But he didnt give any other information outside of the rear camber needs to be replaced and that i should look for adjustable cambers. So im not sure if the suspension components are worn or damaged.
 
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 01:11 PM
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Unfortunately the rear camber is not adjustable and there is no commercially available camber kits to fix the adjustment. Usually lowering the car will throw the cambers out in the (-) negative direction. That means the top of the tire leans in, the bottom out.

Depending on how far the camber is out it can lead to rapid tire wear. I would say that camber up to -1.5 degrees is OK. Much more than that will wear the inside tire edges. If you search the XK (2007+) threads, there is a write up by "SoCalBabe" regarding making custom camber correction plates. It is likely fairly expensive, like any custom work on a Jaguar.

Just wondering; how much are the camber values on the rear?
 
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 02:08 PM
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Unfortunately the rear camber is not adjustable and there is no commercially available camber kits to fix the adjustment. Usually lowering the car will throw the cambers out in the (-) negative direction. That means the top of the tire leans in, the bottom out.

Depending on how far the camber is out it can lead to rapid tire wear. I would say that camber up to -1.5 degrees is OK. Much more than that will wear the inside tire edges. If you search the XK (2007+) threads, there is a write up by "SoCalBabe" regarding making custom camber correction plates. It is likely fairly expensive, like any custom work on a Jaguar.

Just wondering; how much are the camber values on the rear?
YEa thats my problem the inside of the tires are wearing out and i found this out driving cross country my tire blew out and i had to finish the trip on a donut smh. He didnt say how much value wise they were out of spec. He said that the wear will be better because he aligned it the best it could be but he couldnt properly align because of the camber. The car isnt lowered as far as i know i did buy it used but it doesnt seemed lowered. Could an accident have caused something like this camber being out of spec? I got a raw deal buying this car tthere was no car fax of an accident but later on i found out through inspection that it had to have been in an accident

So how do i go about correcting this issue if i cant buy the part?
 
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jahmezis45
YEa thats my problem the inside of the tires are wearing out and i found this out driving cross country my tire blew out and i had to finish the trip on a donut smh. He didnt say how much value wise they were out of spec. He said that the wear will be better because he aligned it the best it could be but he couldnt properly align because of the camber. The car isnt lowered as far as i know i did buy it used but it doesnt seemed lowered. Could an accident have caused something like this camber being out of spec? I got a raw deal buying this car tthere was no car fax of an accident but later on i found out through inspection that it had to have been in an accident

So how do i go about correcting this issue if i cant buy the part?
It is impossible for me to say how to correct it without knowing what caused it. It could be a bent upper suspension arm to allow the top of the wheel to lean-inward. The mechanic likely adjusted to give the car more toe-in (both rear wheels point-in) to compensate for the increased inside edge wear. Not a good solution but, he did not have much choice

Does the camber problem exist on both rear wheels or only on a single one? If it is a single wheel it would point to accident damage. If both wheels are way out of camber something else is the problem (lowering or similar).

If you do not work on your own car you will have to let a suspension expert look at the rear suspension and look for damage or a cause. Your alignment guy should/could have looked at it to see if there is any visible damage. Also, you need to get an idea for the values that he measured. He should have provided you with a print-out of the final as-left specs. If you are more than negative 2 degrees, that is way too much camber for the street.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2014 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jahmezis45
I went to get a wheel alignment and the tech told me that my rear camber is way misaligned out of spec. He said theres nothing he can do because its not adjustable.

Iv'e searched a few websites and dont see where i can purchase a rear camber! Also if its not adjustable how







did it become so misaligned or out of





spec? Im just looking for any advice

or help on how to deal with this issue thanks!!
I had the same problem recently when i purchased new tire...i did not have the problem when purchasing the previous set...turns out the differential was going out due to a bad bearing.
thank goodness it was warranty work.
once replaced and aligned the camber came back into
 
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jahmezis45
YEa thats my problem the inside of the tires are wearing out and i found this out driving cross country my tire blew out and i had to finish the trip on a donut smh. He didnt say how much value wise they were out of spec. He said that the wear will be better because he aligned it the best it could be but he couldnt properly align because of the camber. The car isnt lowered as far as i know i did buy it used but it doesnt seemed lowered. Could an accident have caused something like this camber being out of spec? I got a raw deal buying this car tthere was no car fax of an accident but later on i found out through inspection that it had to have been in an accident

So how do i go about correcting this issue if i cant buy the part?
It may be that the frame/ mounting points are slightly bent.

I would see if I could get the data from the guy that did the alignment what was out, and then check with a GOOD bodyshop that has a frame machine to see if they can see any issue.
If the gods are smiling at you, they may be able to pull it back into square.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2014 | 08:44 AM
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but later on i found out through inspection that it had to have been in an accident
Huh?

As mentioned, ALWAYS ask for and keep the alignment printout.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2014 | 07:45 PM
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Most REAL alignment shops ( look for a shop that only does frame straightening and alignments. The can make up shims or use off the shelf ones and make them work.

A good one will slot, grind and use whatever to get you within spec... thats what you want
 
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Old Dec 15, 2014 | 03:01 PM
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it was just a shoddy mechanic who didn't know what he was doing. Thanks for all the help
 
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Old Dec 15, 2014 | 03:05 PM
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Give an extra bit of toe in on the rear that will correct some of the wear, that's why all cars have toe in on the rear due to the neg camber, too much neg camber will cause inner wear especially if motorway driving with spoilers on that will make it even worse, too much toe in will cause outside tyre wear however in this case counteracting the camber wear.
But ensure their machine has had a recent calibration should be done every 6 months, and the ramp is level when locked off.
So many garages buying equipment and not getting them serviced.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2015 | 07:04 AM
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Here's to resurrecting an old discussion....


I had my '09 XF luxury on the rack, for an alignment check, yesterday, and find I'm in the same predicament......again! I say again, because I had the same problem with my previous car, a 2000 Lincoln LS, an "ancestor" to the current XF.


On the XF, the rear camber is (-) 1.7* on the left, which is out of spec, and (-) 1.1* on the right, which is within the limits. Why Ford/Jaguar designed these cars without any rear camber adjustment, seems insane.


I owned the previously mentioned Lincoln for 9 years, and researched the situation, without any result. At one time, I had heard that this platform's rear suspension was similar to that of the Mustang Cobra, of that era, and the Mustang used an adjustable lower ball joint, to allow for camber adjustment. I wasn't able to find that ball joint as a separate part, consequently I wasn't able to see if it would be a part that was usable in the Lincoln/Jaguar control arm.




In the meantime, this annoys me no end!!

 
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Old Nov 8, 2015 | 01:13 PM
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Some jags can be adjusted using shims. Maybe yours but probably only a proper tech will know.

They do not normally seem to be needed so something's a bit odd...

Some of Brutal's comments may apply.
 
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