This has been out there for sale for about a month. The dealer got it in and then sent it off for a cleaning and to replace a bad speaker. I cannot tell if the surround B&W systems is the 380 watt or the 825 watt system. I assume it is the one with 14 speakers. Other than that it has the right color and engine, but something seems to be wrong with it He has now reduced the price from 14.9K to $12,333. (unusual in this market).

The car fax that you can access looks fine (although there has not been a water pump replacement that I can tell and that is a very bad boy on this car).

I can see some imperfections on the front bumper cover and depending on the photo- does not the paint look funny on the hood (bonnet)? Someone has been rough with the start button, but there are some nice stick-on upgraded looks for that and with the big key hanging around the trim near the tranny switch- you can see some rough edges. Easy enough to find at the used part guy in Irving (TX). Does appear t have the sticky button issue, but I believe I read that makeup remover will solve that.

I will go look at it and take my handheld Jag scanner than can scan all systems, but something seems amiss about the pricing. A couple of the owners on the carfax only had it for a short period of time????

Opinions?


https://www.hilinemotorsinc.com/pre-...guar-XF/959011



Thanks



Tom in Dallas

 

Something doesn't make sense to me, but it might just be a US thing.
It is advertised as having the 510 hp (really PS) 5.0 litre supercharged V8 (ie same as the XFR) but from the one and only pic of the engine bay it could have either the SC V8 or the NA 5.0 V8. It could also have the 3.0 V6 instead (which is supercharged). Thing is I can't see the SC coolant jacket hoses (two each side) which normally are visible on the outer edges of the engine cover on the SC V8 and V6 which suggests to me it has the 5.0 NA, but I don't know for sure what the engine cover looks like on a 2012 US spec XF. Other possibly non-sensical things for the SC V8 are: no 5.0 or Supercharged badge on the rear, no bonnet vents (I though all SC V8s got the bonnet vents), it has 18" wheels when the SC V8 got 19" wheels at least, and it has the 355 mm front brakes when I was sure all SC V8s got the 380 mm front brakes.
Bottom line - my money is on it having the NA V8 which is 385 PS or maybe the V6 which is 380 PS, not 510 PS, and if that is correct I would not trust this dealer as far as I could throw them.

 

If it is a normally aspirated V8, then even after the price reduction to $12k, it’s still a couple/few thousand dollars overpriced.

 

according to the KBB and Edmunds, but if you go to Carvana; find any Jag XF close to this price. I have no use for the SC model.

Thanks

Tom

 

Ask to see the Jaguar service history, or speaking to John at Hi-Line motors who pops up ever few seconds.To see what work has been done.
85k Miles, Due Transmission service, cooling pipes and expansion tank, Diff oil change, transmission hoses if not already done, and to negotiate into the price.
Also Ask to see underneath. Its a Buyers market.

 

Thanks. I intend to do all of that and won't even ask to look underneath. The salesman has indicated I can take the car to have it looked at and have a friend that will do so for me.

Which transmission hoses and cooling pipes are you referring to?

Thanks

Tom

 

The Transmission oil cooler lines, to the CW cooler where they are crimped to the connection points I would expect to see them weeping oil.
Check all underneath oil hoses for oil sweating.
Coolant hoses, all pipes and the expansion tank, Check for leaks,CW staining.
Check the steering rack hoses, again weeping at the crimps.
Remove the under engine tray access and see if the oil sump joint is weeping.
The engine under tray heat pad will more than likely be damaged.
Check the drive shaft Flexi drive coupling for cracks, and fibre threads.
Check all suspension, and bushes, rubber boots for cracking and splits.
Check the diff for leaks or weeping.

You are more than likely to find all or some of the above, given age, miles and running in Texas heat. Take photos and negotiate price repair renewal etc.

Good Luck, Looks like a nice car and the NA.V8 is more than enough. All being well, no timing chain rattle and frequent service oil changes. etc.

 

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That all makes common sense. Some I have thought about but you added some I might have overlooked.

I keep wondering why the car is not selling and he has lowered the price $2500.

T

 

I went to this dealership about a month ago to look at 2 XK150's they had on the lot. A coupe and a convertible. Both were priced a little on the high side.

My impression is they know nothing about their cars and do little to them other than a wash and vacuum. Both the XKs I went to see had minor, easy to fix issues that most dealers would have corrected before even listing for sale. Who knows what else might have been lurking with a deeper look.

I would stay away unless you have a PPI from a knowledgeable mechanic first.

 

Got it

Thanks

I do have someone I trust to take a deep dive with it.

Tha sales guy I spoke with initially gave me some sort of typical slaes crap and I told him that I understood the psychology of what he was doing and therefore the effort was in vain. However he had no problem with having someone else look at it.

So we will see.

Thanks

T

 

I looked at the car referenced in the ad--it does not have a B&W sound system, my 2012 XF has not had the water pump changed so I don't see that as a problem--also the coolant color looks good in the header tank(may have had a coolant change), looks like the TPM System needs sorting. Regarding the timing chain you can look in the oil filler tube and see how much sludge is up there(or not) and you can check the timing chain tension---cleanliness and a tight chain may be a good indicator.

 

Thanks

Tom

 

I agree with doing a PPI. The only thing that I see in the pictures is that the dash looks like its messed up around the center speaker. I think its just the base stereo system and the leather has pulled loose around the center speaker that makes it look raised up. This is Texas and it would only take one summer parked outdoors in the sun to ruin an XF dash. It is the color I wanted when I bought mine, but I noted that this one is not a Portfolio edition, but rather a base model. If you need lumbar support, this one doesn't have it (that was critical when I bought mine).

At 85K miles, as suggested it is very likely way overdue for a LOT of maintenance. At about 50K I spent a month of weekends DIY'ing "The Big Plastic" replacement and intake valve cleaning. Our roads around here are absolutely horrendous so at about 63K this winter I didn't have the time to DIY and spent $5K at a local shop renewing all suspension bushes along with brakes and rotors. 85K is about where the timing chain guides start to rattle if they're going to so I'm going to make sure I'm out long before that (I think I want a brand new car with a warranty next time so I don't have to work on my daily driver for the next five years). I probably should have already gotten out before the Jaguar dealership network started to collapse and my local indie started to schedule repair appointments two months out. I kind of worry that's going to make Jaguar sedans a hard sell and maybe this one sitting around is already evidence of that.

 

So here is the window sticker of the car. Does not have as they list the prem pkg 2.

 

I noticed that raised part as well, but want to see up close and personal. They are not but about 10 minutes from me.

 

You may find the attached document useful.

 

Thanks. I knew the 12 had a facelift, but many changes

TBB

 

Pretty much what's been mentioned.

I do see a bit of raising on the leather dash too? What does it look like in person? As you know the leather dash problem is a big one for any XF. That center speaker grill will be crispy by now so plan to change it. The grill is not expensive.





This might just be cosmetic and you already mentioned the worn starter button but all the wear around the shifter would bother me and I would plan on getting a new piece. But up to you. Kinda weird wear but maybe he drove with his hand resting on the shifter/console?




I do see a missing AC cap under hood? Has any AC work been done?
Water pump replaced?




Scuffs in paint and head light lens on front passenger side.





Some more scuffing around the rear passenger tail light but it's hard to see so I maybe I am wrong?




Sorta see it on the tail light picture too.





Only minor road rash on the rims but again I would have that fixed. Be aware of bent rims if the rims are not forged and most of the stock ones are not.
Yes it will probably have some or all of the sticky buttons but the Neutrogena method does work.

With the miles on it I would for sure service the transmission and rear diff fluids. Consider changing coolant and flushing brake fluid too.

Good luck and post back with what your inspection came up with!
Good looking car in blue too.
Wow I just noticed all the Maserati's behind your car!
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Wow, so many guessing gurus here.. what motor, wheels this and that engine cover, are there SC cooler hoses I see

Why not jsut use a VIN decoder:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...WA0FB9CLS41950

 

Everyone means well. I have the sticker to the car posted above but will re-post it in this message.

Thanks

Tom