OEM brakes durability, should I just upgrade to something else?
#21
12-05-2018, 05:49 PM
They are very easy BUT have you done brakes before? You know how to retract the caliper piston? The fronts are easy because a C-clamp will work.
Are you sure you need rotor's?
See the above posts. I don't change them until needed. Same with the wear sensors because I change pads before I hear noise.
Did all 4 wheels on my 2014 XJR for about $200+ just pads. Used Porterfield CF/Kevlar pads for dusting reasons.
I can't find ceramics and really would like to find some Akebono's.
Had those for almost 70K miles on my old 2005 S Type R.
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Are you sure you need rotor's?
See the above posts. I don't change them until needed. Same with the wear sensors because I change pads before I hear noise.
Did all 4 wheels on my 2014 XJR for about $200+ just pads. Used Porterfield CF/Kevlar pads for dusting reasons.
I can't find ceramics and really would like to find some Akebono's.
Had those for almost 70K miles on my old 2005 S Type R.
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Thanks for the reply. This will be my first brake job ever. I have been reading repair manuals and watching YouTube videos, but admittedly I am still a bit nervous. If you have any other good resources, I’d love to hear about them.
I think the rotors are definitely due. I measured my rotors with a caliper, and they are all below the minimum spec by at least half a mm. It also feels like there is significant rotor runoff (albeit I haven’t formally measured this). I bought the car two months ago from a guy who stated he had never changed the rotors, only pads, during his 33,000 miles of ownership (he owned it from 45000 miles - 78000 miles). Of course I don’t know when they were changed out before that either. The pads are in good shape, but was thinking to change them out too if the brake kit includes new ones.
Appreciate any and all suggestions.
#22
12-06-2018, 10:02 PM
thanks!
#23
12-07-2018, 11:06 AM
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I've used the Geomets before on my old car but I went with the all black ELines this time so that the hats would stay black instead of turning into an ugly rusty color. R1 usually has some sort of 15-20% discount code floating around, so try and find that before ordering. And sometimes their prices are better through the Ebay store. I went with drilled this time but I'm sure they have blank style Elines as well. I felt bad for the UPS man because these rotors are gigantic.
Fronts: 623-20026L/R
Rears: 623-20027L/R
Personally, I haven't had good experiences with ceramic pads, so I stick to the dirty dusty OEM style manufacturers like Pagid, Textar, TRW, etc. You can find them on Rockauto, ebay, etc.
Fronts: Pagid 355015701
Rears: Pagid 355015901
As for the sensors, I just went with whatever was the cheapest at the time. You may be able to shop around more.
Front Brake Pad Sensor: Hamburg-Technic C2P12722
Rear Brake Pad Sensor: Carlson 19147
Don't forget to clean and lube the caliper sliding pins. And you'll need something like this to properly wind back the rear caliper pistons:
Fronts: 623-20026L/R
Rears: 623-20027L/R
Personally, I haven't had good experiences with ceramic pads, so I stick to the dirty dusty OEM style manufacturers like Pagid, Textar, TRW, etc. You can find them on Rockauto, ebay, etc.
Fronts: Pagid 355015701
Rears: Pagid 355015901
As for the sensors, I just went with whatever was the cheapest at the time. You may be able to shop around more.
Front Brake Pad Sensor: Hamburg-Technic C2P12722
Rear Brake Pad Sensor: Carlson 19147
Don't forget to clean and lube the caliper sliding pins. And you'll need something like this to properly wind back the rear caliper pistons:
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#24
12-07-2018, 12:03 PM
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If you have never done brakes I think we have a thread on XJ brakes?
It would be worthwhile to look at it.
Sorry it's on the XF forum but the brakes are the same across models.
Brakes
Do you have the red brake calipers? I ask because there is a stiff piece of wire on my XJR that snaps off and on and it WILL ding the red paint.
Plus it's a SOB it get back in!
In fact my next project is caliper paint because of this paint damage.
Even though you are only planning to do the fronts I would ask that you at least inspect the rears as well.
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It would be worthwhile to look at it.
Sorry it's on the XF forum but the brakes are the same across models.
Brakes
Do you have the red brake calipers? I ask because there is a stiff piece of wire on my XJR that snaps off and on and it WILL ding the red paint.
Plus it's a SOB it get back in!
In fact my next project is caliper paint because of this paint damage.
Even though you are only planning to do the fronts I would ask that you at least inspect the rears as well.
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#25
12-07-2018, 12:08 PM
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#26
12-07-2018, 02:38 PM
#27
12-10-2018, 09:50 PM
If you have never done brakes I think we have a thread on XJ brakes?
It would be worthwhile to look at it.
Sorry it's on the XF forum but the brakes are the same across models.
Brakes
Do you have the red brake calipers? I ask because there is a stiff piece of wire on my XJR that snaps off and on and it WILL ding the red paint.
Plus it's a SOB it get back in!
In fact my next project is caliper paint because of this paint damage.
Even though you are only planning to do the fronts I would ask that you at least inspect the rears as well.
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It would be worthwhile to look at it.
Sorry it's on the XF forum but the brakes are the same across models.
Brakes
Do you have the red brake calipers? I ask because there is a stiff piece of wire on my XJR that snaps off and on and it WILL ding the red paint.
Plus it's a SOB it get back in!
In fact my next project is caliper paint because of this paint damage.
Even though you are only planning to do the fronts I would ask that you at least inspect the rears as well.
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I ended up ordering the R1 Concept rotors and oe pads based on the above recommendation. The OE style pads they sell are ceramic/ metallic hybrids (according to the salesman). Of course they say theirs are better than the OEM ones. They apply the 20% discount if you tell them you are a forum member.
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12-11-2018, 09:09 AM
#29
12-11-2018, 11:10 AM
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#31
12-11-2018, 02:43 PM
Re brake scimming, common practice here in NZ, gives the new pads a surface to bite onto to assist de-gassing the pads.
When/if you do the replacements make sure that you open the bleed nipples during piston push back to evacuate the old/dirty fluid. And 2nd the caliper pin clean/lubicate.
When/if you do the replacements make sure that you open the bleed nipples during piston push back to evacuate the old/dirty fluid. And 2nd the caliper pin clean/lubicate.
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