The Fun Begins!
#1
The Fun Begins!
I have begun the task of rehabailitating my recently acquired 2004 Vanden Plas.
I have completed servicing the brakes--all good.
Today I tackled the LH none folding power fold mirror.The electricals were fine --issue is "mechanical".the attached show what happens as a result of operation in salt!
75% of the alloy around the power fold motor is completed rotted away.The mirror motor and the mirror are fine.
A couple of questions:
1.Does anyone know why the body of the mirror assembly come away from the window frame(the pointy bit in the last pic)?
2.Can anyone recommend technique or a tool for separating the interior door panel from the door---after removing the 4 screws per the JTIS,I have not been able to pop the plastic clips and I do not want to damage the leather?
I am in the process of ordering a new mirror body--to which my mirror motor,mirror glass and cover will be installed.
I have completed servicing the brakes--all good.
Today I tackled the LH none folding power fold mirror.The electricals were fine --issue is "mechanical".the attached show what happens as a result of operation in salt!
75% of the alloy around the power fold motor is completed rotted away.The mirror motor and the mirror are fine.
A couple of questions:
1.Does anyone know why the body of the mirror assembly come away from the window frame(the pointy bit in the last pic)?
2.Can anyone recommend technique or a tool for separating the interior door panel from the door---after removing the 4 screws per the JTIS,I have not been able to pop the plastic clips and I do not want to damage the leather?
I am in the process of ordering a new mirror body--to which my mirror motor,mirror glass and cover will be installed.
Last edited by Six Rotors; 12-05-2014 at 10:16 PM. Reason: spelling
#2
here are a few things
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/s...ide-faq-31104/
Heres a guy struggling to get a door panel off and the good crew here at Jaguar Forums guides him all the way:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...r-panel-51095/
You can use a plastic panel separator (they are available in kits of different sizes, or singly on Amazon from about $8 to $25) here is one I found for $6.95 and trust me they work a LOT better than a screw driver!
Amazon.com: HDE No-Scratch 4-in1 Pry Tool Kit for Car Door Clip Panel & Audio Dashboard Dismantle: Home Improvement
try to separate the panel by wedging as close to the clip as possible. That way you have less risk of the clip pulling out of the panel. Unfortunately it is often a case where you break the thing to see how it was fastened, THEN see what would have been a better way.
I was AMAZED at the amount of rot inside that mirror - I now see why my right side mirror SOMETIMES dips when I select reverse, but NEVER tilts back up when I put the car into drive. I heard they need cleaning and lubrication, but your case illustrates that they often need even more. Good luck with it. Have you screwed up your courage and checked the other side yet?
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Mirror Off and More Rot!
Heres a guy struggling to get a door panel off and the good crew here at Jaguar Forums guides him all the way:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...r-panel-51095/
I was AMAZED at the amount of rot inside that mirror - I now see why my right side mirror SOMETIMES dips when I select reverse, but NEVER tilts back up when I put the car into drive. I heard they need cleaning and lubrication, but your case illustrates that they often need even more. Good luck with it. Have you screwed up your courage and checked the other side yet?
When I started removing the mirror body it was obvious why the plastic sail had started coming away from the door ---the alloy block which mounts to the door was about 50% corroded and the volume increase of the corrosion products does the rest.
I suppose another message would be ---Check the drain hole at the bottom of the mirror body.
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Thank you!
I'm really glad I read this post, both because it's great to see someone taking quality care of their vehicle but also because it got me thinking; Specifically the last bit "I suppose another message would be ---Check the drain hole at the bottom of the mirror body."
I haven't had any problems with my mirrors so far but honestly had no idea there were drain holes as you mentioned/showed, so when I got home from work tonight I decided to check mine and sure enough one was clogged with what looked like cement which definitely caught me off guard.
I popped the back cover off and found this unfortunate mess inside the drivers side mirror
Certainly not what I hoped to find, but I guess it could be a lot worse. The stuff I saw clogging the drain that looked like cement was a solid chunk of corrosion / what was left of some metal similar to what you found, There were several large chunks of it in the bottom of the mirror.
Were you able to replace the mirror body yet? It looks like I'll be doing the same soon and would love to hear how it went for you. Best of luck!
I haven't had any problems with my mirrors so far but honestly had no idea there were drain holes as you mentioned/showed, so when I got home from work tonight I decided to check mine and sure enough one was clogged with what looked like cement which definitely caught me off guard.
I popped the back cover off and found this unfortunate mess inside the drivers side mirror
Certainly not what I hoped to find, but I guess it could be a lot worse. The stuff I saw clogging the drain that looked like cement was a solid chunk of corrosion / what was left of some metal similar to what you found, There were several large chunks of it in the bottom of the mirror.
Were you able to replace the mirror body yet? It looks like I'll be doing the same soon and would love to hear how it went for you. Best of luck!
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I checked my RH mirror and it is also severely corroded, but less than the LH.
I have been considering a pair of used mirrors from California but the risk of corrosion damage etc. is putting me off.
I am thinking of buying new mirror bodies which includes everything except the chrome cover, the heated photochromic mirror glass and the mirror motor.
All those parts are in good condition and can be easily transferred to make a complete assembly.
I am working on a deal with a friendly US Jaguar dealer on pricing--I think it will cost me the same or slightly less than a pair of good used ones.
Since this car is just a summer runner it is stored now.
I am heading to Alberta for Christmas, then down to Florida for 2months in January. The plan is to be finished by mid-April.
I have been considering a pair of used mirrors from California but the risk of corrosion damage etc. is putting me off.
I am thinking of buying new mirror bodies which includes everything except the chrome cover, the heated photochromic mirror glass and the mirror motor.
All those parts are in good condition and can be easily transferred to make a complete assembly.
I am working on a deal with a friendly US Jaguar dealer on pricing--I think it will cost me the same or slightly less than a pair of good used ones.
Since this car is just a summer runner it is stored now.
I am heading to Alberta for Christmas, then down to Florida for 2months in January. The plan is to be finished by mid-April.
#6
Well I arrived home from Florida on Saturday. I managed to acquire two brand new power folding mirrors while down there from a friendly Jaguar dealer in South Carolina--$300 each. Part numbers---C2C39415 and C2C 39416--these are complete except for glass and cover. (I forgot to take a picture of the parts before I installed them)
I reused the mirror glass and the chrome covers. (Pictures to follow) This was relatively easy as was installing the parts on the car. I was amazed how easy it was to refit the door panels. Total installation time 2 hours for both sides.
The mirrors are amazingly smooth and quiet in operation.
Next task --new transmission oil pan ,sleeve and transmission oil cooler lines--"all parts are on the shelf"
I reused the mirror glass and the chrome covers. (Pictures to follow) This was relatively easy as was installing the parts on the car. I was amazed how easy it was to refit the door panels. Total installation time 2 hours for both sides.
The mirrors are amazingly smooth and quiet in operation.
Next task --new transmission oil pan ,sleeve and transmission oil cooler lines--"all parts are on the shelf"
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The corroding metal is Mazak, (sometimes called Zamak in the US), and is an allow of the metals in the name, i.e. Magnesium, Zinc, Aluminium and Copper. However the bulk of the mix is zinc. Left to itself, it corrodes nicely unless plated, or covered with paint. I suggest you apply an anti-rust oil like Waxoyl or similar and it should last longer.
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