1995 XJ6 ~ won't start ~ 4.0L
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1995 XJ6 ~ won't start ~ 4.0L
I've been dealing with this since last Friday.
Weather permitting I have been working on it, off and on.
Events leading up to the "no start" condition.
Thursday night I filled up with petrol because we were expecting "snowmaggedon 2015" on Friday. 93 Octane 10% Ethanol (bst available locally..) Trusted fuel station.
Friday my wife is taking the car since I had to go across state to retrieve my daughter for Thanksgiving break. I went over starting the car and she thought she had it.
She couldn't get it started. When I got home battery was dead and would not take/hold a charge. No worries as it was in need of replacing due to age.
New battery and still no start. So I read up on the forums.
I replaced the Fuel Pump relay with a new one, and swapped a known working one as well. 30 Amp Fuse is a new replacement.
Fuel pump whirrs when engaged. When cranking Tach shows 150-200 (guesstimate) rpm.
I was not able to crack the joint on the fuel rail, for fear of breaking a connection.
Squirted starting fluid in to the intake, and she fires up and runs for a while, will cut out right away if the gas pedal is pushed any.
I will likely replace the Fuel Filter since it is likely original to the car.
If I let her sit overnight, turn the key and hit the start button, she fires up for a brief moment then dies. (Thinking maybe ejectors are dripping enough to get this start?)
Any insight or pointers at this point are appreciated.
Below is the thread I have been using to date:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...t-start-99634/
Thank you in advance.
Alan in Iowa
Weather permitting I have been working on it, off and on.
Events leading up to the "no start" condition.
Thursday night I filled up with petrol because we were expecting "snowmaggedon 2015" on Friday. 93 Octane 10% Ethanol (bst available locally..) Trusted fuel station.
Friday my wife is taking the car since I had to go across state to retrieve my daughter for Thanksgiving break. I went over starting the car and she thought she had it.
She couldn't get it started. When I got home battery was dead and would not take/hold a charge. No worries as it was in need of replacing due to age.
New battery and still no start. So I read up on the forums.
I replaced the Fuel Pump relay with a new one, and swapped a known working one as well. 30 Amp Fuse is a new replacement.
Fuel pump whirrs when engaged. When cranking Tach shows 150-200 (guesstimate) rpm.
I was not able to crack the joint on the fuel rail, for fear of breaking a connection.
Squirted starting fluid in to the intake, and she fires up and runs for a while, will cut out right away if the gas pedal is pushed any.
I will likely replace the Fuel Filter since it is likely original to the car.
If I let her sit overnight, turn the key and hit the start button, she fires up for a brief moment then dies. (Thinking maybe ejectors are dripping enough to get this start?)
Any insight or pointers at this point are appreciated.
Below is the thread I have been using to date:
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...t-start-99634/
Thank you in advance.
Alan in Iowa
Last edited by Alan Stoldt; 11-25-2015 at 02:49 PM. Reason: added link to other thread with troubleshooting
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Hey there Alan:
Man does this remind me of what happened to me. Exactly as you described. And yes, it turned out to be the hose INSIDE THE FUEL TANK had slipped off the fuel pump.
I didn't take the fuel tank out completely, just enough to undo the large sealing ring at the top. I looked into the tank (no didn't light a match to see - used flashlight) and it was apparent that the hose slipped off the fuel pump. I reached in and re attached the hose - tightened the clamp and put everything back together. It helps to have small hands and long fingers.
Problem fixed.
Man does this remind me of what happened to me. Exactly as you described. And yes, it turned out to be the hose INSIDE THE FUEL TANK had slipped off the fuel pump.
I didn't take the fuel tank out completely, just enough to undo the large sealing ring at the top. I looked into the tank (no didn't light a match to see - used flashlight) and it was apparent that the hose slipped off the fuel pump. I reached in and re attached the hose - tightened the clamp and put everything back together. It helps to have small hands and long fingers.
Problem fixed.
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Alan Stoldt (12-01-2015)
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Hi there:
Removing the tank, or moving it enough to get access to the top of the tank wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Better part of an afternoon taking my time. If I remember correctly I just made it so I could swing it sideways enough to get at the top so I could gain access to inside the tank.
Glad I had small hands so I was able to reach inside with a small ratchet and refasten the hose a clamp to the fuel pump. Nothing really out of the ordinary and I didn't use any special tools.
... Grant ...
Removing the tank, or moving it enough to get access to the top of the tank wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Better part of an afternoon taking my time. If I remember correctly I just made it so I could swing it sideways enough to get at the top so I could gain access to inside the tank.
Glad I had small hands so I was able to reach inside with a small ratchet and refasten the hose a clamp to the fuel pump. Nothing really out of the ordinary and I didn't use any special tools.
... Grant ...
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littlelic69 (11-28-2015)
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Although Grant had success going in the top, there is a chance of screwing up the tubes exiting the tank on the bottom. The archives have several threads of folks doing that. If you booger the high pressure lines, you will have significant pain fixing them.
Tank removal is not much more work than working in the trunk, and is the safest route in my anything BUT humble opinion.
Tank removal is not much more work than working in the trunk, and is the safest route in my anything BUT humble opinion.
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Thanks for all the input and pointers.
Is there a thread showing tank draining and removal procedures?
I suppose if the fuel pump is pumping I can hook to the fuel filter side and pump it mostly out?
Mark ~ transplant here from Wisconsin / Michigan. Winter is much shorter and more mild, but still put a dampner on my motorcycle season.
Is there a thread showing tank draining and removal procedures?
I suppose if the fuel pump is pumping I can hook to the fuel filter side and pump it mostly out?
Mark ~ transplant here from Wisconsin / Michigan. Winter is much shorter and more mild, but still put a dampner on my motorcycle season.
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Yeah, but yours ain't pumping, right? A siphon will get most of it. Yes, there are procedures in the archives. The biggest PITA is getting the two fuel lines removed from the "quick connects". I have used a lengthwise split 1/2 inch metaltube to push on the plastic disconnect tool. Don't bother with the metal ones- they are too big to fit in there.
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sparkenzap (11-29-2015)
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Grant your procedure is the right one, its the easiest and correct way if only to reinsert the pump input tube. To take the whole tank out of the compartment is absolutely unnecessary if only to reinsert the pump input tube. Authorize dealership do the same. Glad you shared the proper way to address a simple fix.
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Dear JaguarForums,
I never thought those letters were real, until this happened to me.
Weather has gotten a bit above freezing and I am recovering from illness. Time to get 'er done.
Went out this A.M before work to pull the rear seat and see what I would be up against to cut an access hatch.
BOYAH!
So, I guess I am not her first, and that is okay by me.
I've never done Fuel Pump work before and I am a picture kind of guy, or instructions too.
How do I go about removing the fuel pump to re-attach the hose?
I have search posts and the world wide web as well. and so far haven't found anything to help. Thank you all for the support to this point and continued support.
I never thought those letters were real, until this happened to me.
Weather has gotten a bit above freezing and I am recovering from illness. Time to get 'er done.
Went out this A.M before work to pull the rear seat and see what I would be up against to cut an access hatch.
BOYAH!
So, I guess I am not her first, and that is okay by me.
I've never done Fuel Pump work before and I am a picture kind of guy, or instructions too.
How do I go about removing the fuel pump to re-attach the hose?
I have search posts and the world wide web as well. and so far haven't found anything to help. Thank you all for the support to this point and continued support.
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12/04/2015 5:30 am (I am up at 3 a.m. daily) I pulled the fuel pump Evap Cover and the hose was lose. Re-Attached and hose clamped. Re-assembled. Fires right up on the first touch of the starter button.
Thank you all for the assistance.
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Thank you all for the assistance.
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