<shrug>

Might be perfectly good but I have my doubts.

Cheers
DD

 

Just got these today...from 1996 Jaguar XJ6 Direct Ignition Coil - Buy 1996 Jaguar XJ6 Direct Ignition Coil Online

Will let you know how long they last

 

Like the Ebay vendor I bought from...advertsing "Eurospare" but sending "Lucas".

Cheers
DD

 

Yep! Anyone know a good source for the Eurospare. Only bought one to see what i would get.

 

These guys list Eurospare as well as Lucas, might be worth a try? I think they are a Worldpac dealer, so anyone who has a Worldpac account would have the same access. We're getting ripped off, $83 in Canada, $48 in the USA.

1997 Jaguar XJR Direct Ignition Coil in Canada - Canada 1997 Jaguar XJR Direct Ignition Coil

 

This is who I ordered from. Ordered the one listed as "Eurospare," got the "Lucas"

 

I just ordered six. God if they show up as Lucas, it's a steal. Don't Lucas coil packs cost $120 each? OEM at aftermarket prices. That is why I jumped on this. I'll let you know what I get.

 

Just replaced the plugs and the boots on the coils. The boots were $18.00 ea. and the misfire is gone. No codes. Now I just have that pesky 1138 code that comes on after about 2 hours of driving. Last code to go!

 

I suspect what you'll get is 6 coils that are NOT actual OEM but nevertheless have a Lucas stamping.





Please do !

More specifically, let us know where they are made. The true OEM coils are "Made in Japan". The Lucas coils I recently got are "Made in the EU".

Broadly speaking the true OEM coils seem to last at least 15 years and 100k miles. We know that the worst of the aftermarket replacements last less than a year...sometimes much less. Time will tell where these Lucas-labeled, made in the EU coils fit in the grand scheme of things.

Cheers
DD

 

For anyone interested...

Pics #1 and #2 are an actual, original coil.

Note the black label with numbers and "Made in Japan". The Eurospare replacements I got earlier had this same label and matched the apperance of the orginal coils in terms of expoxy used, molding characteristics, etc .

The white Lucas label with the Jaguar part number is also shown. I wouldn't expect to see this on any coil sold via aftermarket channels even if it came from the true OEM manufacturer. It might be present on a coil ordered under the original part number from Jaguar, though.

Pic #3 (low quality, sorry) shows the Lucas identification on a recently purchased coil.....which was 'supposed' to be Eurospare. It says "Lucas DMB411". There are no other markings of any kind.

Cheers
DD


PS- it's a bit amusing how something can be both "Made in Japan" and "Assembled in the UK" :-). The semantics of manufacturing are interesting

 

Third and final coil was installed yesterday by my Jag specialist... No box, just a bag with a Lucas part number stamped on it, which he didn't keep. Coil itself is also stamped with Lucas and the part number.

Turns out it came from Worldpac, not the dealership.

 

Just a words game. They where made in Japan and boxed in the UK.

I managed to find six more the of the "real" OEM Eurospare, Made in Japan coils, I will probably get 6 more if I can.

The new so called "Lucas" coils are made by "Elta Light". This "Elta" is a UK company, but I am still trying to get to the bottom of where these new coils are coming from. It definately could be that somewhere, someone, has figured out how to make these coils with the same or better quality than the original Japanese coils made by Diamond and distributed by what used to be Lucas in the early 90's......but I am not interested in being a guinea pig unless I really have to. We won't really know how well the "new Lucas" coils are until someone has replaced a full set in their cars and used them for several years.

 

I am also finding that these "new" Lucas coils can be obtained extremely cheap. On this case at "AUTOARTSWAY.COM" they are listed cheaper than the Beck Arnley coils that self implode within a year. I have also found that some but not all eBay sellers have lowered their costs on these "new Lucas" coils. I don't want to pay 400.00 for a new coil, but if a coil is being sold at 60.00 dollars it means that the merchant is buying for 30-40, which in turn means that it's all that much cheaper to produce. I am also speculating that the "real OEM" coils made by Diamond and recently sold thru EUROSPARE for around 115-140 dollars where not very cost effective and this is why in part they are quickly disappearing from the market.

 

Entirely plausible.

We'll have to see how things play out with these Lucas coils.

I'm contemplating that, if long-lasting brand new coils are not being sold, it might be better to buy up a slew of used, true-OEM originals at $20 each. Although their lifespan would be uncertain it might end up being a better bet. If we're doomed to near-continual coil replacements over the long haul, why spend $45-75-100 each for uncertain life span when the same uncertainty can be bought for $20?

I dunno. Just a thought.

Cheers
DD

 

Where did you find these?

 

True.

I think we'll know much sooner than several years, though. If they're really junky, we'll probably know within a year.

Personally, "several years" of life from a coil that's 1/4 the price of true-OEM would be perfectly acceptable to me. When their life is measured in months, though, I find that hard to swallow.

Cheers
DD

 

i'll bet the latest ones are made in CHINA.

 

[QUOTE=Spikepaga;723117]Very interesting.


Had the same idea myself Spikepaga

After I bought an aftermarket octopus hose and it started leaking from the fabric inside the hose I.E. de-laminating hadn't even done 200 k,s and because I supplied the hose which I bought from the uk no warranty

Got the lecture from my indie over generic parts so let him install a genuine hose at $800 plus $200 for tow truck to his shop 3 weeks later same problem genuine hose leaking in the same way at least I got warranty except for towing again

My Indie doesn't say anything now when I supply parts

I do a hell of a lot more research and ask more questions before I buy items good thing about this forum it spreads the word and helps us decipher any sales BS

I bet some of the suppliers that read these forums can in turn get feedback and strive to supply better quality parts

As for coils I bought my first set from auto parts warehouse an American on-line auto parts shop good service
A couple needed replacing after 15,000 k,s and 2 years
I decided to replace them all again and keep the ones that hadn't died as spares

I did buy my second set from Britishparts UK as I had read on a couple of forums that they looked like the originals and had made in Japan on them but who knows if they have the same ones in stock it seems that people do go through them

As for the genuine price of $400 per unit that buys a lot of cheap ones and after the octopus hose debacle I am not so convinced on genuine parts
Just my 2 cents worth LOL

 

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Yup, you really do have to be careful these days.

As for hoses.....

For years I always bought true Jaguar-labeled replacements because they always seemed to be high grade. I've never been disappointed....yet.

I'm hearing nowadays that even Jaguar-labeled stuff is sometimes lower grade these days, with Jaguar turning the "replacement parts" scheme over to URO. I haven't verified that to my satisfaction. It's just something that's been bandied about.

God knows the lower radiator hose on an XJR/6 isn't a job you want to do more often than you have to!

Which reminds me.....I replaced mine at 30k miles (11 years old then) but the car has 140k miles now. I should replace it again soon. It certainly isn't a job that can be done by the side of the road.

Cheers
DD

 

Being a very suspicious type of guy,I think they do read these forums, but for more sinister purposes. Friday I communicated with a certain vendor who has some 20 Eurospare OEM coils. They just went up from 145 dollars to 200. I have a feeling he is reading our posts.

I secured my 6 from a vendor who is selling them lower than that and am trying to secure 6 more, just can't pay for all 12 at once.