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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 08:13 PM
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Hi, I just recently had my headgasket and camshaft replaced on both sides. Now my car is making a ticking noise when I accelerate but smooths out on the open highway. The mechanic says it is the VVT solenoid that is causing this. Could this be the issue?

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Old Jun 20, 2014 | 08:33 PM
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Camshaft? Never heard of a camshaft failure without associated valve damage.

VVT issues can be easily diagnosed by adding a can of RESTORE, an oil thickener. If that quiets the ticking then change your oil thickness on the next oil change. Can't hurt, cost less than $10 and solves most VVT problems.

The other noise source is the serpentine belt tensioners. Remove the belt and see if the noise goes away. Only for a few minutes!
 
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Old Jun 21, 2014 | 06:46 AM
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You are right. I did have to have a valve job done as well. Thanks for the information, it is helpful. I will try it today and let you know. One more question, this morning my check engine light came on and sure it enough the code it is giving is P1384. Does that change anything as far as adding the Restore?

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Old Jun 21, 2014 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by NorCalDiesel
P1384 is a VVT Solenoid Malfunction A bank (1). Once set 2 times your intake cam may be fully retarded. This will happen if it cycles through more than one solenoid failure event. You might be able to make this happen by accelerating rapidly to 65mph and back down to idle. Do it a couple times, if the solenoid failure is detected more than once it will retard the intake cam. This accounts for the rough running engine you may be experiencing. If your not experiencing a rough running engine try clearing the DTC's and drive it until it reappears.

The causes for this vary from an actual solenoid failure to drive circuit fault, ground fault and or poor inconsistent oil flow to an actual camshaft mechanical failure.

I had this a while back, I cleared the DTC and changed the oil to 10W40 instead of 10W30. The thicker oil viscosity cleared it up for me, at least for the last 20K.
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No to the RESTORE question. Worst case is that during the cam replacement the VVT was not fully in its 'no advance' position when the cam alignment was locked down.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2014 | 07:50 AM
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Thanks for the information. I did try the restore, although the noise is not as loud and as long as it was previously it is still there for a brief two second only when accelerating. Your worst case scenario, how to I check to see if that is the issue.

Bank A is the passenger side?

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Old Jun 24, 2014 | 05:55 PM
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Today I disconnected both VVT solenoids. There is no ticking noise upon pressing the gas pedal. Upon reconnecting them there is noise. So, I am ordering new VVT Solenoids. I am still getting P1384 code only so does this mean that it is the VVT Solenoid? In the mean time, if I drive the car without the VVT solenoids connected will that cause any damage?
 

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Old Jun 24, 2014 | 06:59 PM
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With the electrical connection to the solenoids removed the VVT's should remain in their normal, not advanced, position. I would avoid seriously spirited acceleration but other wise that is how the 'R's run all the time.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2014 | 07:07 PM
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If unplugging them alters the noise, then I would think that they are operating!!!!!!!

I have traded 'known-good-used' VVT actuators with another shop to see if the fault they had was due to a faulty unit. (NO CHANGE!!!!)

From their description I did not think that the replacement units would change anything (that is why I offered to TRADE!!! I still have their old good used VVT actuators)

I would NOT buy 2 expensive components to 'see if that is the problem'. I would 'borrow' or get some 'good-used' units for experimentation.

Why not SWAP the actuators and see if the fault follows the unit (eg P1384 to P1396)

If the fault follows THEN you should replace the damaged one!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the fault remains, then you have a circuit or mechanical malfunction.

I'm betting on damaged wire/circuit OR incorrect cam alignment.
(could be oil flow prob if the fiber seals are missing or were damaged???)

could be could be could be................
We are not there so internet diagnostics is a gamble.

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Old Jun 24, 2014 | 07:27 PM
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I would strongly suggest that you should listen carefully to Bob and take him up on his offer.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2014 | 08:02 PM
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I just recently change the CYLINDER HEAD CAMSHAFT INTAKE with VVT actuator for both sides, left and right. It could be the cam alignment. Where can I find information on the proper cam alignment? Damaged wire? Damaged wire to the solenoid? Sorry for all the questions but I just recently paid a lot of money to have these issues addressed and was told it was the VVT solenoids.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2014 | 08:27 PM
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I suggest you retime the cams to be sure if you have any doubt!
BTW, watching the cam signal relative to the crank with a scope will tell the tale. But, as bob says, we can all wager our guess with your money!
 
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Old Jun 26, 2014 | 08:00 PM
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Today I changed the VVT Solenoids and had the camshaft re-aligned. I am still getting the same results to a degree. When I connect both solenoids I get the tapping sound when I accelerate. After disconnecting only the right side solenoid the tapping sound goes away. If I re-connect the the right side solenoid and disconnect the left side solenoid the tapping sound returns. When disconnecting them both the sound goes away also. The mechanic suggested I use a thicker oil such as 20w 50. He says that the 50w 30 is very thin and light weight. I am a little reluctant to do so but I am considering using 10w 40.
 

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