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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 08:42 AM
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Default Power windows xj6 s.3

Searched, but couldn't find a link to power window failure.

My issue: Sudden failure of both front windows.
Am assuming it's the switches? Or some fuses?
Was planning to remove bottom of center console and look at switches? Can't believe 2 window motors would fail simultaneously?

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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 08:56 AM
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Almost certainly the switches...which can be opened up and cleaned if you're good with your fingers.

The window circuit is divided left-right, not front-rear....so your relay and thermal breakers should be OK. The motors seldom fail, it seems

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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 09:55 AM
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Thank you, sir.

I assume I am correct in removing console floor?
Looks like just a few screws?

Also ,clean with ? no solvents, yes?
 

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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 10:14 AM
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when you separate / pry the toggle from the case, there will be old, dried grease in there over the brass contacts. Use dielectric grease after you remove the dried grease and cleaned the contacts shiny.

Careful, springs will jump out! best to do it with both hands inside a clear ziplock bag.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 11:11 AM
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Yup. One of my early on lessons in Jaguar stewardship.


1. Tools.
Two small pans. One for in the car and the other for the bench
One small flat screw driver.
One small Pozi, a Phillips will do.
A bit of emery paper or an of tech rubber eraser, still soft, not
age hardened.


2. Demolition, Remove the cubby lid. Remove the ski slope. Put the fasteners in the inside pan.


3. Remove the connectors for the rocker switches. Push each into a related corner. Lf, Lr , Rf, Rr, for ease in reconnecting to the correct switch Uo, down, etc.


4. Wiggle the switches free. Note the retaining tabs to squeeze.


5. To the bench. Over the second pan. Pushing on one side of the pivot on the side of the switch will open the case, and free the rocker.
Beware tiny parts. Two teeny bent slide at the bottom. Note the alignment. Remove and polish with the emery or eraser. A touch only
on the sprig loaded contacts on the rocker.


A bit of dielectric on the contact points.


5 . In Jag speak, reassemble in reverse order.


Many a switch has been replaced, that could have been saved and returned to service,


Although, one of mine was busted inside. An Ebay sourced replacement was refuribished by my method and continues to serve.


Carl
 
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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 12:32 PM
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If all else fails, Switch Doctor in Atlanta, Georgia has new replacement switches.
Product #1377 = $10.00
I purchased 4 switches from them a few months ago. No problems since.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 02:46 PM
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Thanks for all the info.

Dieclectic grease?

Source?
 
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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 04:31 PM
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auto Zone, Advance auto Parts, O'Reilly's, have "ketchup" packets of dielectric grease at the cash register point-of-sale. They are with Brake Caliper Grease "ketchup" packets.

I call them "ketchup" packets because they are packaged just like the ketchup packets at McDonald's and are dispensed the same way.

Also Radio Shack has the dieletric grease in a syringe-type container.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 04:57 PM
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I kept all of my old switches. One of these days when I have nothing else to do, I will service them. They all worked intermittently. I replaced them because the new ones only cost $10.00 a piece.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2017 | 11:55 PM
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Download the S57 wiring schematics from this forum. That are very good and broken down into functional areas so you arent distracted by everything else when working just on windows for example. Helps with fuse locations, relays etc. also.
 
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Old Nov 3, 2017 | 06:49 AM
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!!!!! Better than ditto !


YES, on the S57. Fellow enthusiast, Bob Loftus shared one with me. Punched for three ring binder and each page in a plastic jacket. I've scanned and shared pages with others.


Best schematic I've ever tried to work with. Invauable in my conversion process. And, the goto binder when the electrickery sets in.


The schematics in Haynes are probably great for those way above my pay grade in "wires". So, I'll with hold a bash


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Old Nov 3, 2017 | 07:32 AM
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The most important step is to disconnect the battery first thing. The cigarette lighter is right there and has voltage even when the switch is off. Once you get the contacts clean you will be amazed how well the windows work. Doesn't hurt to take the door cards off and clean all the electrical connections in the door itself, too.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2017 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Yellow series3
The most important step is to disconnect the battery first thing. The cigarette lighter is right there and has voltage even when the switch is off. Once you get the contacts clean you will be amazed how well the windows work. Doesn't hurt to take the door cards off and clean all the electrical connections in the door itself, too.
Revisiting an old , but continuous problem.

Removed cubby bottom. My 86 xj6 s3 seems to be one piece - "ski slope", connected to flat woodgrain panel surrounding the gearshift lever. Tried to clean metal pins with steel wool. No dice.
Then attached front window cords/ cables to rear window switches. Presto. Both front windows now operate great. ( yes, half assed, but at least can close windows when it rains, and lock car.)

So, still confused ad to how to remove defective switches from ski slope without breaking them? Willing to order two new switches from that guy in Georgia? But how to get out old and install new ones.

Ok. Thx
 
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Old Dec 11, 2017 | 03:42 PM
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push them out from behind, that's it.
 
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