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...none of the windows work!
(';')
The above was the situation when I finally got Nix on the road almost exactly one year ago. It's like the story of the leaking roof; when it's not raining there's no need to fix it. When it's raining you can't.

During this past Winter I didn't need operating windows because I wasn't driving the car. In Spring I didn't need windows because the AC works so well I keep windows up anyway.

But now we're about to go on a long distance, 3 day trip with the Jag club up through the Redwoods and I *Really* wanted the windows to work! What kind of Jaguar club member would I be to arrive on a Major trip like this with a partially inoperative car?! Besides that, I want to be able to smell the trees.

I've been agonizing over this job for Months! I was sure I would have to completely disassemble the console to reach a wiring fault, or a hidden inline fuse, or a breaker, or some other mystery object Lucas thought was a good idea.

So today was the day. It's Monday, it's August 1, I've caught up all the other dogs yapping at my heels so I removed the arm rest and the tray under it as the first step. There was the tin can relay I remembered. When I turned the key the relay definitely clicked. OK, it works.

Lying beside it kind of down in the trough was.......... a fat red wire with brown tracer.
On the relay was......... a spade with no wire! Hmm.

Husband got his digital multi-meter, grounded the black lead, put the red lead on the bare spade. I turned on the key and found the bare spade was 12 volts live! I was so surprised I just stared.

He said, "Well, put it on!" So I did, turned on the key and tried one of the window switches.

It went down and up!! I tried another and another, all 4 windows work!!

>WHEW<



The white arrow shows the absentee wire that was hidden between the tunnel and the console wall, the yellow arrow shows the double spade it fell off of. This is the configuration of the working window relay, wires in their proper places.

In less than an hour I was finished! Nix is So pleased! I can hear her purr from here.
(';')
 
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Working windows? mmmm, the price just went up.

That is classic perverse Jag-ism. The jobs you dont think will be hard take forever or turn into epic sagas as you uncover other stuff. Some things you think will be a big deal arent that bad at all. Sadly the latter are in the minority.
 

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Thank you, Steve,
Yeah, next time someone asks what I'd take for her I'll say 12! LOL
(';')
 
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Well done.

I reckon 12 is a short sell.
 
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Thank you, Grant,
Last time, I was over at a Ford dealership where we bought the Adequate Vehicle to replace Wart, when I mentioned I also had a classic Jag, and the salesman asked to see it.

As we rolled up to the building, the showroom windows were lined with office personnel admiring the Best Looking Car On The Block! Then everyone in the place who was not busy at that moment came out to look, and one of them asked what I would take for her right then.

I said, "Maybe 10," and I could see Every One of them calculating in their heads if they could come up with that kind of coin! Just about then husband said, "Now Wait a minute!!" and calculations stopped. But it was a Lot of fun!

I can see myself selling her if our world went pear shaped for some reason, but in that situation I don't think I could get anywhere near that kind of money, even for a well sorted classic driver such as Nix is now.
(';')
 
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I suspect that Elinor and NIX are forever joined and that mere money
has no part there.


Elinor: Five observations, relevant on differing levels.


1. The spade on the white wire, hot with ignition key in run, is not fully seated. Future issue?


2. Counting lugs, would a generic 5 post relay sub in, in case of future need".


3. Nice work !!!! Kudos.


4. The auto spell check on this forum disagrees as to how to spell your name!!


5. In life as in Jaguaria, we tend to make mountains out of mole hills.
The mind conjures Kilimanjaro and on attack, tis merely a dune. Unfortunately, the converse is apt to be true !!


My dogs are still yapping !!


Enjoy.


Carl
 
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Old 08-02-2016, 12:13 PM
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Don't you just love it when you fix a problem like that.

See those nails are as pristine as ever Elinor.
 
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Carl:
Thank you for your kind words.

Spell-check isn't the only one to disagree how to spell my name. Most people want to complicate it too. Where I come from we do things the simplest way possible.

The white wire is pushed on as far as it will go; something about a short female connector. It was this way when I got the car.

If I had a diagram of this relay husband could probably find one to work. I hope that never happens though!

Since I've owned this car I'm more familiar with Project Creep; small tasks grow into Monstrous ordeals that make me sorry I ever saw the car in the first place. But that's not today.

Jim:
Thank you.

Yes, the easy ones Almost make up for the stupidly hard ones. Almost.

About my nails; I do have an image to maintain, ya know. If I posted a picture in here of some component or other and had chipped nails, admit it; you guys would be Seriously disappointed!
(';')
 
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A simple fix to a long standing problem, well spotted Elinor - doesn't get better than that!

I've learned with the Series Jags, if a problem involves electrics, relay and ground connections are most often the culprits!
 
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Thank you, Tony,
Central locking isn't going to be Nearly so simple! One of them only unlocks, None of them lock although they all make noise trying.

I can live without central locking. PIA that it is after having it, but that's a project for winter.
(';')
 
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I had the same problem with the central locking system on my two Series 3s.
They all made 'noise' but will not lock or unlock.
I removed all of the door panels and serviced (sprayed them down with electrical spray lubricant) the solenoids. Cleaned the connectors. Now they all work effortlessly.
 
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sounds like Camouflaged Sabotage to me, something like that.
 
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Whatever you say Jose.
The solenoids are just your basic electromagnet that over time gets corroded.
The basic repair for most jaguar electrical problems is CLEAN;CLEAN; CLEAN;
A great way to SABOTAGE things.
 
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None of my windows and neither does my sunroof work. They did before now they don't is there a relay somewhere if so where and how do I troubleshoot the problem
 
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what part of Florida?

have you checked that the top center switch is in the ON position?

this switch is a Master On/Off switch for the 4 windows and sunroof, it is some kind of child-proof or security feature.
 
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@ JimJam:
I am also in the Melbourne area, Fountainhead to be exact. Where are you located?
Maybe you can come by and see how mine is set up.
 
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As per Doug in one of his posts "the window relay is at the extreme right side of the dashboard, outboard of the glovebox. It has brown, white/pink, black/pink, and red/slate wires".
Add what Jose states. Check the Master switch. Clean all of your connectors.
 

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Mr Sanchez
I am at LITW Condo Association Phase I off of LWW near stack Blvd
My phone number is 815-274-3448, Give me a call I can drive to your location and you can show me where this elusive relay is. I have checked my master switch and flipped it in both directions, Still no operation
Thanks
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The PO advised Never to open the sun roof, and as he was far less than forthcoming about so many other faults of the car, and as it was an aftermarket sunroof, I took him at his word there must be something Seriously wrong with it, so I've never even tried to open it.

The relay mentioned above is Not in it's OEM position in my car!
Factory mounted it on the heater blower housing above the driver's knees. Wheather or not it has anything to do with the sun roof I can't say.

To my knowledge, this is the only "safety valve" for windows in the car.
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Thank you for the information. I was looking in al the wrong places I plan to check it out later today
Jim
 
 
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