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Old Sep 9, 2017 | 08:14 AM
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Saliah,

If you haven't done so already now would be the time to remove the distributor cap and take a peek at the rotor....as they often burn through. With the cap off you'll also see that the Marelli rotor and distributor cap are a dual plane design which explains why the actual firing order of the cylinders is the same as a Lucas ignition car but the placement of the wires on the distributor cap is different.

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Old Feb 4, 2022 | 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by JigJag
I can't edit my post above to add a better picture of the vertical HT lead routing so I suppose I'll just post it down here.


Looks very good. I might do that too.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2022 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JigJag
I'm trying to work out a new routing for my HT ignition leads. Trying something new and I needed a visual aid. I thought I'd post it for others who might find it useful.




Jaguar 5.3L v-12 firing order gif
I have a 94' XJ12 V12 Marelli - except the "B1" cylinder is clearly forward of the passenger side bank..... yet isn't ALL engines most forward cylinder no.1 ?
 
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Old Jul 14, 2022 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JigJag
Ok, very interesting. Here's the Marelli version, based on comments and images of the cap and dizzy. Let me know if I've got it wrong in some way.




Jaguar 5.3L V-12 Marelli firing order gif
is the Distro position correct on this gif? ie: are the firing order on cap, actual position on vehicle?
 
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Old Jul 14, 2022 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 808PUNABOY
I have a 94' XJ12 V12 Marelli - except the "B1" cylinder is clearly forward of the passenger side bank..... yet isn't ALL engines most forward cylinder no.1 ?
The XK engine is numbered from back to front.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2022 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 808PUNABOY
is the Distro position correct on this gif? ie: are the firing order on cap, actual position on vehicle?

The firing order is 1A,6B,5A,2B,3A,4B,6A,1B,2A,5B,4A,3B

But since the Marelli system has a two plane rotor, the numbers on the cap are 1A,1B,5A,5B,3A,3B,6A,6B,2A,2B,4A,4B


#1 cylinder on a Jag V12 is "1A", which is front most cylinder, RH side

Weird, I know

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Old Jul 14, 2022 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by garethashenden
The XK engine is numbered from back to front.
Yes, but the V12 is not an "XK" engine :-)

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Old Jul 14, 2022 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 808PUNABOY
is the Distro position correct on this gif? ie: are the firing order on cap, actual position on vehicle?
If you have Lucas ignition (as opposed to Marelli) it looks like this



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Old Jul 15, 2022 | 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug
The firing order is 1A,6B,5A,2B,3A,4B,6A,1B,2A,5B,4A,3B

But since the Marelli system has a two plane rotor, the numbers on the cap are 1A,1B,5A,5B,3A,3B,6A,6B,2A,2B,4A,4B


#1 cylinder on a Jag V12 is "1A", which is front most cylinder, RH side

Weird, I know

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Genuine question Doug. Why is it "weird", what am l missing?
 
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Old Jul 15, 2022 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by baxtor
Genuine question Doug. Why is it "weird", what am l missing?

The norm is that the layout of the wires on the cap matches actual firing order of the cylinders, as seen in the illustration of the Lucas system.

On Marelli system, with the dual plane, dual tipped rotor, the layout of wires on the cap does not match the firing order of the cylinders. Which is weird

The "A bank" - "B bank" numbering system is also a little weird. I'm not aware of any other V-type engine using this system....but I could be under-informed on that!

And, typically, the #1 cylinder (for the purposes of engine timing, finding TDC, and such) is the front-most cylinder of the front most cylinder head (the head that is further forward on the engine block). The uninitiated, working on a Jag V12, would go to 1B when in fact they should be going to 1A.

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Old Jul 15, 2022 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug
The norm is that the layout of the wires on the cap matches actual firing order of the cylinders, as seen in the illustration of the Lucas system.

On Marelli system, with the dual plane, dual tipped rotor, the layout of wires on the cap does not match the firing order of the cylinders. Which is weird

The "A bank" - "B bank" numbering system is also a little weird. I'm not aware of any other V-type engine using this system....but I could be under-informed on that!

And, typically, the #1 cylinder (for the purposes of engine timing, finding TDC, and such) is the front-most cylinder of the front most cylinder head (the head that is further forward on the engine block). The uninitiated, working on a Jag V12, would go to 1B when in fact they should be going to 1A.

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Fair enough.
I think you would agree however that to the initiated (as opposed to the UNinitiated) all things Jaguar make perfect sense.
 
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Old Jul 15, 2022 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by baxtor
Fair enough.
I think you would agree however that to the initiated (as opposed to the UNinitiated) all things Jaguar make perfect sense.

Naturally

Cheers
DD
 
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