XK8 / XKR ( X100 ) 1996 - 2006
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

help measuring valve gaps

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 03-08-2015, 10:50 AM
RaceDiagnostics's Avatar
Veteran Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 1,772
Received 883 Likes on 472 Posts
Default help measuring valve gaps

Hi guys, I have never measured a valve gap before and was wondering how much you should expect to push on the feelers to slip them into the gap.

On the 4.2 engine you can't slip the feelers in directly, the need to bend to get between the cam shaft and the shim so you do need to push on them a bit to get them to bend.

Right now I can fairly easily slip in a 0.3mm feeler onto the exhaust valves, the max spec is 0.27mm.

The specs are:

Inlet valves clearances (mm) 0.18 - 0.22
Exhaust valves clearances (mm) 0.23 - 0.27

Is it easy or difficult to slightly compress the spring and get a false reading?

Video here in a few minutes.

 

Last edited by RaceDiagnostics; 03-08-2015 at 11:10 AM.
  #2  
Old 03-08-2015, 11:23 AM
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Wise County,TX
Posts: 11,890
Received 7,872 Likes on 4,759 Posts
Default

You do realize that you can buy ANGLED feeler gauges for situations like this.
They are less common but they can be found.

bob gauff
 
Attached Images  
The following users liked this post:
RaceDiagnostics (03-08-2015)
  #3  
Old 03-08-2015, 11:28 AM
GGG's Avatar
GGG
GGG is online now
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Durham, UK
Posts: 120,435
Received 16,789 Likes on 12,163 Posts
Default

It should take a bit of a push but not require forcing - the 0.25 looks about right.

Far better to err on the wide rather than too small a gap. Too wide just results in a bit of valve clatter sound but too small a gap can prevent the valve closing properly giving blowby and eventually burning the seat.

I've chosen my words very carefully to avoid giving the double entendre spotters too much ammunition!

Graham
 
The following users liked this post:
RaceDiagnostics (03-08-2015)
  #4  
Old 03-08-2015, 02:43 PM
RaceDiagnostics's Avatar
Veteran Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 1,772
Received 883 Likes on 472 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by motorcarman
You do realize that you can buy ANGLED feeler gauges for situations like this.
They are less common but they can be found.

bob gauff


Thanks, I have never come across these before, just orders a set from ebay for $10.
 
  #5  
Old 03-08-2015, 02:46 PM
RaceDiagnostics's Avatar
Veteran Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 1,772
Received 883 Likes on 472 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by GGG
It should take a bit of a push but not require forcing - the 0.25 looks about right.

Far better to err on the wide rather than too small a gap. Too wide just results in a bit of valve clatter sound but too small a gap can prevent the valve closing properly giving blowby and eventually burning the seat.

I've chosen my words very carefully to avoid giving the double entendre spotters too much ammunition!

Graham




Thanks Graham, looks like all the exhaust valves were about .25mm and all the inlet valves were .2mm.


I'll have another look when I the angled feelers arrive.
 
  #6  
Old 03-08-2015, 08:01 PM
plums's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: on-the-edge
Posts: 9,733
Received 2,166 Likes on 1,610 Posts
Default

As it has not been mentioned, the proper way is to use two stacks of feeler gauges.

One stack is bigger than the desired clearance and one stack is smaller.

The bigger one should not pass through the gap while the smaller one does.
 
  #7  
Old 03-09-2015, 05:11 PM
RaceDiagnostics's Avatar
Veteran Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 1,772
Received 883 Likes on 472 Posts
Default

Anyone know where you can buy the valve hold down tool 303-540 at a reasonable price?


 
  #8  
Old 03-10-2015, 08:46 AM
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Wise County,TX
Posts: 11,890
Received 7,872 Likes on 4,759 Posts
Default

I have used that tool and I will tell you now that it is DIFFICULT to adjust the valves with it. My advise is to REMOVE the exhaust cam and replace shims that way.

The tool (or some way of depressing buckets) can be used for the intake cam as it is very time consuming to remove the cam.

I would leave the lash alone if it is close. You are going to be frustrated trying to get the lash perfect if that is your goal.

bob gauff
 
The following users liked this post:
jamdmyers (03-11-2015)
  #9  
Old 03-18-2015, 04:35 PM
RaceDiagnostics's Avatar
Veteran Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 1,772
Received 883 Likes on 472 Posts
Default

I was able to measure the valve gaps today with the angled feeler gauges.


The specs are:

Inlet valves clearances (mm) 0.18 - 0.22 or 7.09 to 8.66 thous

Exhaust valves clearances (mm) 0.23 - 0.27 or 9.06 to 10.63 thous


The inlet valves, back of engine to front are (well these were the biggest feelers I could get in) in thous.

9 - 9 ==== 10 - 9 ==== 9 - 8 ==== 8 - 7


The exhaust valves, back of engine to front are, in thous.

11- 12 ==== 11 - 12 ==== 11- 11 ==== 10 - 10



So most are out of spec, and one inlet and 2 exhaust, are very out of spec.


Could this cause the warm up noise I'm experiencing and do they need to be fixed?

 
  #10  
Old 03-18-2015, 08:15 PM
plums's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: on-the-edge
Posts: 9,733
Received 2,166 Likes on 1,610 Posts
Default

Tiny print is hard to read.

In my opinion, they are not far enough out to be noteworthy.

Check the parts catalog and see what is the smallest increment
that you can change. If it is a thou or more, then you are unlikely
to be able to change anything under a thou difference.
 
The following users liked this post:
RaceDiagnostics (03-20-2015)
  #11  
Old 03-19-2015, 04:03 AM
JonWat's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Swansea, Wales
Posts: 388
Received 85 Likes on 64 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by plums
Tiny print is hard to read.

In my opinion, they are not far enough out to be noteworthy.

Check the parts catalog and see what is the smallest increment
that you can change. If it is a thou or more, then you are unlikely
to be able to change anything under a thou difference.

I agree.

I've not adjusted the tappets on a Jag but I've done it on Lotus & a thou or two out is acceptable, especially the ones that are too large as they'll wear smaller as the valve head hammers it's self into the seat.
 
The following users liked this post:
RaceDiagnostics (03-20-2015)
  #12  
Old 03-25-2015, 07:03 AM
HappySailor's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: N. Miss.
Posts: 42
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

FYI...

A Go-No-Go feeler set is the hot ticket for checking things... I didn't find them in angled, but here's a straight set...

Amazon.com: Lisle 68150 Go-No-Go Feeler Gauge: Automotive Amazon.com: Lisle 68150 Go-No-Go Feeler Gauge: Automotive

example: one blade is 10/12... slips in easy, but won't go past the 12 without extra effort? gap = 11... easy peasy...
 
  #13  
Old 04-02-2015, 06:31 PM
doclees's Avatar
Junior Member
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: PA USA
Posts: 27
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Hi folks, my first post here. I am still in search of my XK8 so I cannot comment on the ease or difficulty of this service for this engine but I had an 89 Taurus SHO that needed this every 60k miles. It calls for 2 simple tools. One holds the bucket down and the other pops out the shim. I used a magnet so not to lose the shim. A pain of a service on a transverse engine. I couldn't find the service interval for this on the XK8. I was under the delusion it wasn't needed. How often is this done? Thanks
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
280zx-turbo
XK8 / XKR ( X100 )
8
10-02-2015 02:52 AM
Johncy2000
XJ ( X351 )
4
10-02-2015 01:05 AM
JagBrian
F-Type ( X152 )
1
10-01-2015 12:52 AM
jjmiah217
X-Type ( X400 )
1
09-28-2015 09:09 AM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


Quick Reply: help measuring valve gaps



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:21 AM.