Intercooler pump replacement?
#1
Intercooler pump replacement?
I have a small antifreeze leak in the front right of my XKR. Based on looking, it is either the hose coming straight down off the inter-cooler pump (small electrically-run cylinder pump) or is the inter-cooler pump itself. I have the hose on order and it should arrive next week. However, I believe there is a very good chance that it is the inter-cooler pump. An OEM inter-cooler pump or even a used one is not cheap. Has anyone here replaced theirs with one of the Ford Mustang / Lightning ones, or any other ones successfully. I just can't really get the needed stats on the OEM pump and these other pumps, but they all appear to run off of 12Volts and have the same input / output sized pipes for hose. I assume direction of flow is the same, and hope that CFM / speed / volume is similar.
So, anyone know of a generic part that works? Preferably with the same electric connector and can fit in same bracket; but if not, then one that will work splicing the connector and / or modifying the pump bracket. Thanks.
So, anyone know of a generic part that works? Preferably with the same electric connector and can fit in same bracket; but if not, then one that will work splicing the connector and / or modifying the pump bracket. Thanks.
#2
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Pacific Northwest USA
Posts: 24,747
Received 10,757 Likes
on
7,101 Posts
I have a '95 XJR....quite a different car from yours....but I used the Mustang/Cobra/Lightning pump with good results. No problem with hoses and electricals. The physical mounting isn't quite perfect or sanitary but it works and was a mere fraction of the OEM price.
Others will chime in with XK-specific advice, I'm sure
Cheers
DD
Others will chime in with XK-specific advice, I'm sure
Cheers
DD
#3
To check your pump turn on the key but don't start, you should hear the pump running. You can also start and warm up your car and the intercoolers will be cooler than the top of the supercharger. I put in the Bosch 0 392 022 002 as recommended by others on this forum. I think it was around $100. It fits and works great. Heads up - I soldered my wires to the bosch, you can't use the rubber sleeve from the old pump, and you will need hose clamps. There are many options on this forum, it's great!
#4
I bought the Bosch inter-cooler pump to replace my slowly leaking original Hella unit. I also have a spare OEM pump bracket someone gave me. The Bosch seems to fit rather well in the original bracket without the rubber sleeve.
Now the original Hella had the original rubber sleeve completely around it, and the mounting bracket held the original rubber sleeve. So in other words, there was no metal to metal contact between the electrically run inter-cooler motor and the metal mounting bracket / car.
Is there any reason that the new bosh pump needs to be mounted as to not touch the car, or does it not matter?
Now the original Hella had the original rubber sleeve completely around it, and the mounting bracket held the original rubber sleeve. So in other words, there was no metal to metal contact between the electrically run inter-cooler motor and the metal mounting bracket / car.
Is there any reason that the new bosh pump needs to be mounted as to not touch the car, or does it not matter?
#5
I am sure there are more out on the forum with more time and miles but I did the same install last month and after 1,500+ miles (SF to Las Vegas to Phoenix and back + city driving) have had no issues.
Per Super Cat's "heads-up" one definitely needs new hose clamps, I replaced the two hoses coming from the pump which came with the factory style clamps, and they didn't work due to the smaller beads on the Bosch's inlet and outlet pipes. Worm gear clamps solved my problem.
Per Super Cat's "heads-up" one definitely needs new hose clamps, I replaced the two hoses coming from the pump which came with the factory style clamps, and they didn't work due to the smaller beads on the Bosch's inlet and outlet pipes. Worm gear clamps solved my problem.
#6
There is a somewhat higher flow version of the Bosch pump: 0 392 022 010. It's model is a popular upgrade among the AMG crowd and is also around $100. There was some discussion in this thread: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...a-82598/page2/ around post 24.
Haven't installed it yet but plan to in the next few weeks. We will see how the fit goes.
Haven't installed it yet but plan to in the next few weeks. We will see how the fit goes.
The following users liked this post:
User 070620 (05-23-2016)
#7
I installed the Bosch 0 392 022 010 in March 2011 without using the rubber grommet because of the larger diameter of the Bosch pump versus the OEM Hella. I've had no problems to date with this set up. You've got to modify the electrical connection on the pump side to accept the wiring from the XKR electrical system.
The following users liked this post:
ccfulton (01-18-2013)
Trending Topics
#8
I fitted the Bosch 002 pump to my XKR and fitted it minus the rubber sleeve and have had no problems.
According to avos it has a better flow rate than the Hella so should provide better cooling.
As others have said, the original hose clamps will not provide a good enough seal, so I used 2 x 17mm-25mm (size 25, OX, or 3/4"-1") hose clamps.
According to avos it has a better flow rate than the Hella so should provide better cooling.
As others have said, the original hose clamps will not provide a good enough seal, so I used 2 x 17mm-25mm (size 25, OX, or 3/4"-1") hose clamps.
#9
#10
There is a somewhat higher flow version of the Bosch pump: 0 392 022 010. It's model is a popular upgrade among the AMG crowd and is also around $100. There was some discussion in this thread: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...a-82598/page2/ around post 24.
Haven't installed it yet but plan to in the next few weeks. We will see how the fit goes.
Haven't installed it yet but plan to in the next few weeks. We will see how the fit goes.
#11
The following users liked this post:
User 070620 (05-24-2016)
#12
The part arrived last week. I then went to the Mercedes dealer and ordered the connector used on the Mercedes models utilizing this pump. That is arriving this week, hopefully in the next two days.
Then I'm going to create a small adapter link out of the old Hella pump pigtail and the Mercedes connector. This way I am not modifying the new pump, and not modifying the on car wiring. If the part numbers (there are multiple pieces to build the connector from Mercedes) are right, I'll post them up so someone else can do it if they want.
Then I'm going to create a small adapter link out of the old Hella pump pigtail and the Mercedes connector. This way I am not modifying the new pump, and not modifying the on car wiring. If the part numbers (there are multiple pieces to build the connector from Mercedes) are right, I'll post them up so someone else can do it if they want.
The following 2 users liked this post by 80sRule:
03 XKR (06-05-2016),
User 070620 (06-01-2016)
#13
The part arrived last week. I then went to the Mercedes dealer and ordered the connector used on the Mercedes models utilizing this pump. That is arriving this week, hopefully in the next two days.
Then I'm going to create a small adapter link out of the old Hella pump pigtail and the Mercedes connector. This way I am not modifying the new pump, and not modifying the on car wiring. If the part numbers (there are multiple pieces to build the connector from Mercedes) are right, I'll post them up so someone else can do it if they want.
Then I'm going to create a small adapter link out of the old Hella pump pigtail and the Mercedes connector. This way I am not modifying the new pump, and not modifying the on car wiring. If the part numbers (there are multiple pieces to build the connector from Mercedes) are right, I'll post them up so someone else can do it if they want.
Bosch 0 392 022 010 works great!
Mercedes parts to build adapter harness combined with Hella plug works great too!
Doing both the Bosch pump with Mercedes plug costs about $110-115 total.
New Pump works better than dead pump.
I put the intercooler pump in yesterday.
Here are the Mercedes part numbers needed to build the plug that fits the 010 bosch pump:
Qty 1 of: 230-540-00-81 "COUPLING" - $2.70
Qty 2 of: 008-545-63-26 "PLUG" - $7.20 (total)
Qty 2 of: 000-54568-80 "RUBBER RIN" - $6.30 (total)
Total Price at local Mercedes dealer - $16.20
Note that better prices can be found online but I asked the clerk and it would be incredibly rude to use his time to get part numbers then go online to save $5.
This gets you the plastic connector, the little pins that you connect the wires to and insert into the connector, and the small rubber rings that you slide over the wire and when the wire is inserted into the connector it is the little seal that keeps water out.
I bought a $4 set of 127 pieces of heatshrink at harbor freight, and a $6 set of 40 various screw clamp hose clamps; since I was out of both at home. I used a soldering iron and wired my newly built Mercedes connector with tail into the old hella pigtail (black with Red is positive on the hella side, brown with black is negative on the hella side; the new Bosch pump is clearly labelled on the bottom which is which). Then I heatshrank it all.
Installation is easy and the required tools are really just a 8mm and 10mm socket AND a pair of open end wrenches; remove the air filter box; remove the 2 bolts holding the bracket holding the pump to the body of the car; remove the pump pigtail from the car wiring harness. I chose to simply cut the pigtail off the pump while still installed, then build my adapter connector, then work on removing the old pump off the car.
Put a big catch pan underneath as some coolant will drain. I removed the old pump from the body mounting bracket; this was two nuts. The new pump is bigger and the rubber insulator that was on the old pump can't be reused with the 010 bosch unit. Now the old pump is just dangling by the two hoses in the car. Get your new pump ready. Note the orientation of the hoses so that you minimize time orienting the new pump. If you get things swapped quick; including removing the old spring clamps and sliding on the new screw clamps; you'll minimize the amount of drained coolant. Then bolt everything back in, plug in your adapter harness you built, and then put your airbox; all that reassembly is oddly the reverse of removal!
Once everything is buttoned up; turn the ignition to on; but don't crank. You will hear the pump! Make sure nothing is leaking. Follow proper XKR procedure on coolant filling; this involves burping through the IC coolant plug and the coolant reservoir. I drove it around for about 20 minutes and never got a low coolant light. I always prefer checking one last time the next day whenever I mess with coolant on this system.
#14
#15
I did the bosch pump upgrade as well for my 2001 XKR and found the plug at Mercedes as few vendors would provide it with the pump.
I attach photos of the plug and Mercedes references. The resources on the forum were really helpful so I hope this can help others a bit too.
I attach photos of the plug and Mercedes references. The resources on the forum were really helpful so I hope this can help others a bit too.
Last edited by Jag&Furious; 09-18-2018 at 07:50 AM.
#16
Having had this pump for 2 years and maybe 12k miles, I'd say no question, if you have the hella die, just buy the uprated Bosch. Less money and better performance. I did not do benchmarking for the performance differences as my car is performance wise completely stock (unless you consider the metal timing parts performance parts lol).
#17
I know this is an old post, but hopefully someone has the knowledge...
The pump off of my 2015 XFR-S looks nothing like the Bosch 010 or the stock pump that everyone else seems to have. The biggest issue is the stock pump has three wires, where the bosch only has two. It also looks like it spins in the opposite direction, which isn't an issue. Can anyone shed some light on this pump and if the 010 is an option? Attached are a few pics...
The pump off of my 2015 XFR-S looks nothing like the Bosch 010 or the stock pump that everyone else seems to have. The biggest issue is the stock pump has three wires, where the bosch only has two. It also looks like it spins in the opposite direction, which isn't an issue. Can anyone shed some light on this pump and if the 010 is an option? Attached are a few pics...
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
KarimPA
New Member Area - Intro a MUST
8
09-03-2015 07:32 PM
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)