XK8 / XKR ( X100 ) 1996 - 2006

Uuuuuuh sound from rear end

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 19, 2017 | 11:14 AM
  #1  
Supersprint's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 128
Likes: 32
From: Denmark
Default Uuuuuuh sound from rear end


The sound appears to be more loud in the video than in real life.
It's only present when turning at low speed, and turning left is a bit worse than turning right.
There is no Uuuuuuh sound when the car is on a straight or curved road.
I don't think there are any sounds from the diff neither on or off the throttle.
When the rear end is raised I find quite a lot of play in the rear bearing on both sides, but only in 12-6 o'clock direction, no play in the 9-3 o'clock direction.
Any thoughts ?
 
Reply
Old Dec 19, 2017 | 12:00 PM
  #2  
giandanielxk8's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 3,756
Likes: 1,622
From: Puerto Rico
Default

My guess is it's the wheel bearings.
 
Reply
Old Dec 19, 2017 | 01:36 PM
  #3  
GGG's Avatar
GGG
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 120,439
Likes: 17,005
From: Durham, UK
Default

I'd be more worried what the neighbours might be thinking seeing you driving round in circles like that.

Always difficult to determine where a sound is coming from when you're driving the vehicle. Can an observer standing at the centre of the circle pinpoint where it's coming from?

Bearings usually rumble when they are failing but a dry one can make that kind of noise.

Graham
 
Reply
Old Dec 19, 2017 | 01:40 PM
  #4  
phanc60844's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 463
Likes: 133
From: knypersley
Default

'but only in 12-6 o'clock direction, no play in the 9-3 o'clock direction.
Any thoughts ?'

Thats the diff output bearing, if there was play in the wheel bearing you would get it at any position. Get it up on axle stands and do the same test with someone under the rear end looking at the drive shaft, if its diff, you will see the drive shaft moving in/out. Bad news as they are a jag part only and are dead expensive. I have the same play but on one side only buts its not enough to fail the MOT test. Having said that, I have no noise from mine?
 
Reply
Old Dec 19, 2017 | 08:39 PM
  #5  
baxtor's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,119
Likes: 1,376
From: Australia
Default

Originally Posted by phanc60844
'but only in 12-6 o'clock direction, no play in the 9-3 o'clock direction.
Any thoughts ?'

Thats the diff output bearing, if there was play in the wheel bearing you would get it at any position. Get it up on axle stands and do the same test with someone under the rear end looking at the drive shaft, if its diff, you will see the drive shaft moving in/out. Bad news as they are a jag part only and are dead expensive. I have the same play but on one side only buts its not enough to fail the MOT test. Having said that, I have no noise from mine?
The output shaft bearing can be checked by lifting one side and with wheel removed reach in and jam a finger between back of the uni flange and the diff housing while pulling and pushing in and out on the top of rear brake disc.
l have replacements on order myself and went for cheaper alternative from site sponsor rather than original part. From what l have researched l believe the original is a single row deep groove ball race which SKF do not market any longer. The aftermarket alternative appears to be a double row angular contact ball race and while spacers need to be used due to it being 2mm shorter and O ring groove added it is far more readily available and probably a superior bearing for the application.
 
Reply
Old Dec 20, 2017 | 11:01 AM
  #6  
vonrotting's Avatar
Junior Member
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 5
Likes: 4
Default

Hej Supersprint!

I had what definitely sounds like the same problem this year on my '2000 XKR. It started after I had it serviced and during the service I had also requested to have the diff fluid changed. Have you possibly changed yours?

After a few days the rear end started moaning like that when turning at low speed. The noise was apparent in both directions but maybe a bit stronger in one of them.

Naturally I went back to the independent Jag shop I use and asked specifically asking if the diff fluid change might be the issue and they thought no, so I went on letting them check for sticking brakes - both main and parking which actually resolved my Brembo brake squeal but did nothing for the moaning.

Finally I came up with the idea to let someone else have a go at it so I brought it to another indy that I had used before and after a brief check and test drive the mechanic suggested to change the diff fluid. I had not told them about it having been changed already which caused a brief rethink but they still suggested the diff fluid.

Long story short: New fluid - no more noises.

Hälsningar,

/Erik
 

Last edited by vonrotting; Dec 20, 2017 at 11:11 AM.
Reply
Old Dec 20, 2017 | 11:47 AM
  #7  
Supersprint's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 128
Likes: 32
From: Denmark
Default

Hallå Erik

That's exactly what I just did. The diff fluid was changed to Castrol Syntrax 75-90 a while ago, and I haven't driven the car for quite a while since, so just forgot all about it.
And you are right,- after that the Uuuuuuuh'ing began.

Any suggestions of what fluid to use ??

Merry Christmas
God Jul

Carsten
 
Reply
Old Dec 21, 2017 | 12:58 PM
  #8  
vonrotting's Avatar
Junior Member
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 5
Likes: 4
Default

Hej Carsten,

The oil specified in the invoice for the first change where the noise started was JLM20255 which is the OE spec if I understand it correctly.

The oil that the other shop used was Castrol Axle Z Limited Slip 90 which is what Castrol apparently recommends according to:

https://applications.castrol.com/oil...w)-(1999-2001)

Maybe it is not that the oil is "wrong" but rather that something nasty happens when changing the original and very old oil and it needs a second flush.

/Erik
 
Reply
Old Dec 22, 2017 | 02:52 AM
  #9  
Supersprint's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 128
Likes: 32
From: Denmark
Default

Cheers for that Erik

I have some Redline 75-90w 5GL and will give that a try.
The car is tucked in for the winter now, so we will have to wait until spring before I can tell if its a cure or not.

Carsten
 
Reply
Old Dec 22, 2017 | 04:47 AM
  #10  
phanc60844's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 463
Likes: 133
From: knypersley
Default

baxtor,
thanks for the tip about the alternative bearing. I looked for ages and couldnt find anything else but I was looking for a bearing of the exact size. Barrats are selling the original for £315 and the alternative including spacer is £90 so thats on my shopping list for next year
 
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2018 | 10:24 AM
  #11  
Supersprint's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 128
Likes: 32
From: Denmark
Default

Originally Posted by vonrotting
Hej Supersprint!

I had what definitely sounds like the same problem this year on my '2000 XKR. It started after I had it serviced and during the service I had also requested to have the diff fluid changed. Have you possibly changed yours?

After a few days the rear end started moaning like that when turning at low speed. The noise was apparent in both directions but maybe a bit stronger in one of them.

Naturally I went back to the independent Jag shop I use and asked specifically asking if the diff fluid change might be the issue and they thought no, so I went on letting them check for sticking brakes - both main and parking which actually resolved my Brembo brake squeal but did nothing for the moaning.

Finally I came up with the idea to let someone else have a go at it so I brought it to another indy that I had used before and after a brief check and test drive the mechanic suggested to change the diff fluid. I had not told them about it having been changed already which caused a brief rethink but they still suggested the diff fluid.

Long story short: New fluid - no more noises.

Hälsningar,

/Erik
Hej Erik
Spot on with the diff oil causing the sound. After the second oil change it's back to being quiet .
Thanks again
Bedste hilsner
Carsten
 
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2018 | 02:54 PM
  #12  
vonrotting's Avatar
Junior Member
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 5
Likes: 4
Default

Hi Carsten,

I'm glad it sorted itself out!

Hälsningar,
/Erik
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
95XJRBlack
XJ XJ6 / XJR6 ( X300 )
4
Apr 23, 2014 09:17 PM
XJ Davo
XJ6 & XJ12 Series I, II & III
4
Jul 3, 2013 07:56 PM
iownme
X-Type ( X400 )
1
Dec 23, 2011 08:33 AM
Spedracr15
XJS ( X27 )
7
May 24, 2011 06:08 PM
L.Rob
X-Type ( X400 )
5
Jul 1, 2010 07:17 AM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:30 AM.