F-Type ( X152 ) 2014 - Onwards

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Old Aug 16, 2017 | 08:52 PM
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Mine is a 16.5 and it has the 4 pretty tiles on the screen. The earlier one had a black and white screen and I hated it with a passion because I'd always hit the wrong button then get launched into the wrong menu.

On the design pack, I have the sport design pack in an IRR car, looks great though I wrapped the sills to give the waist more shape. The rear bumper treatment and the front are great, the side is a PITA to tell you the truth because it is too wide.
I'm having a hard time figuring out what's different between the front bumper of the design pack or stock. The rear and side skirts make a big difference though, and I would definitely vinyl wrap the side skirts black as well. Is it just a pain to get in and out of the car? Or actually scraping on stuff?
 
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Old Aug 16, 2017 | 09:12 PM
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Hi. The front bumper I think just has the horizontal winglets on the edges. They look like somethinhg that would cost $100 or so. I've never bumped them. You might see from the photo that these were wrapped too, but I left the edge of all the skirts unwrapped which I quite like and it matches the real valance.

The side skirts are horizontal so the nuisance factors are :

1. they collect dust and water sits on them making either mud or water marks;
2. they bulge toward the back and are widest where you swing your feet over, so you cant essentially tuck a foot under the car getting out and it isnt as easy balance wise as it would be without.

The older style skirts were at a steeper angle and thinner, so they probably would have been more practical. i've never had the skirts scrape on anything.
 

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Old Aug 16, 2017 | 10:01 PM
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Ok thanks, I think given the trade off of how much more aggressive the side skirts makes the car look, I could tolerate any of the negatives.

I'm not entirely sold on the rear venturi on a white car (looks great on red), so I'd be willing to get a car without the Design Pack if necessary and just add the side skirts for $1000 or whatever it would cost.
 
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Old Aug 17, 2017 | 05:56 AM
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Unhingd, I'm sure you can help with this. Regarding the previous topic of ECU tunes, are there any bolt-ons I could get that don't require the tune? I saw that headers would throw up an error code without a tune. I'd love if there was a way to eek out 20-30 more HP from a V6 S that's warranty friendly.
Sorry...can't think of anything. The operating parameters of these modern day engines is so tightly control by the engine management system that any physical (bolt-on) change that can add 5%+ hp, will cause the logic to think something is wrong. Besides the ECU torque management will often prevent the production of additional power even if the hardware is up to it.
 
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Old Aug 17, 2017 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Unhingd
Sorry...can't think of anything. The operating parameters of these modern day engines is so tightly control by the engine management system that any physical (bolt-on) change that can add 5%+ hp, will cause the logic to think something is wrong. Besides the ECU torque management will often prevent the production of additional power even if the hardware is up to it.
ok thanks. I'm sure once I'm used to the throttle response and RPM band I won't have any complaints with the quickness. I'll probably test drive a V6 S again soon and really put the pedal down this time, I think I was a little too respectful with the car on my last test drive with the salesman riding shotgun.
 
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Old Aug 17, 2017 | 07:32 PM
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See you were thinking what will the salesman think of me. Tellin you bro, stop worrying what other blokes are thinking. His strategy is to get in your head. Here is how you get in his head, and throw him off his game, tell him you are upset because you had to beat the guy you were with last night.
 

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Old Aug 17, 2017 | 07:42 PM
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Respectful to a salesman!! He is a fricking predator! playing prey gets you back in BMW territory. You gotta be a apex predator to drive a Jaguar. Tell him his outfit is cute, cut him down to size.
 
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Old Aug 17, 2017 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Queen and Country
Respectful to a salesman!! He is a fricking predator! playing prey gets you back in BMW territory. You gotta be a apex predator to drive a Jaguar. Tell him his outfit is cute, cut him down to size.
Lol, no, I was being respectful to the car, not the salesman. I knew full well I wasn't going to buy that car, but you're right, not sure why I cared how I treated the car, raised on the "you break it you buy it" mentality I guess. I'll drive it like I stole it next time.
 

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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Unhingd
even if the hardware is up to it.
Sadly, the hardware isn't up for it. At this point I am down 1 LSD and now I suspect pilot bearing is shot. This was after clutch and flywheel were replaced with updated parts due to slipping.

YMMV, but my F-type S isn't handling stock tune that well when it is used to full potential. This is with under 30 hours total of track time over last 2 years.
 

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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SinF
Sadly, hardware isn't up for it. At this point I am down 1 LSD and I suspect pilot bearing is shot. This was after clutch and flywheel were replaced with updated parts.

YMMV, but my F-type S isn't handling stock tune that well when used to full potential. This is with under 30 hours total of track time over last 2 years.
What performance mods do you have installed besides the clutch and flywheel?
 
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by intotheblue
What performance mods do you have installed besides the clutch and flywheel?
100% stock, clutch and flywheel are JLR parts that were updated mid production run and replaced under warranty. If you buy early 16 MT car, make sure clutch was replaced as otherwise it would slip when pushed.

I really don't subscribe to 'more is better' ideology when looking at F-type S. I don't think I ever encountered a situation where the car held me back on track. I kept up with C7s, 911s and so on. Sure, in theory these cars are faster than my F-type. In practice, it is within margin of driver's skill.

If you plan to track, the only mod you need is new tires. MPSS or MP4S. P Zeroes are not suited for track use, especially if you have RWD car.
 

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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by SinF
Sadly, the hardware isn't up for it. At this point I am down 1 LSD and now I suspect pilot bearing is shot. This was after clutch and flywheel were replaced with updated parts due to slipping.

YMMV, but my F-type S isn't handling stock tune that well when it is used to full potential. This is with under 30 hours total of track time over last 2 years.
Hmmm...I don't think you can attribute a bad pilot bearing to anything other than a bad pilot bearing. The LSD is another issue, but I constantly am pumping 85 lb-ft more torque through the twisties than you with no sign of looming failure. (that could change, though)
 
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 11:20 AM
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Safe to say you both have 'aggressive' driving styles...
 
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Unhingd
Hmmm...I don't think you can attribute a bad pilot bearing to anything other than a bad pilot bearing.
I voiced this opinion before, but I don't think F-type drivetrain has sufficent damping to handle MT. I don't know if this is too old school thinking, but I'd want to see large flex disk.


The LSD is another issue, but I constantly am pumping 85 lb-ft more torque through the twisties than you with no sign of looming failure. (that could change, though)
Fluid came out with metal shavings. It wasn't misbehaving otherwise. Well, other than occasional clunk reversing. That is, insofar differential failures I was surprised that what I thought was sway bar links turned into new differential swap.
 
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 02:34 PM
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I guess German machining is not what it used to be.

Neither is American. I had to replace a rear end on my NEW truck and found the culprit to be a Timken bearing that looked like it was made from pot-metal. Air holes and voids in the casting, how the F it got through quality control baffles me.
 
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Queen and Country
Air holes and voids in the casting, how the F it got through quality control baffles me.
"We looked at one on the lot, they're all like that."
 
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 02:54 PM
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Thanks for insight on your experiences with problems. I'll be getting an automatic and it will never see a track, but it's helpful when it comes time to make my decision on what model year to buy concerning remaining factory warranty, CPO, extended warranty, etc.

Is anyone here running all-season tires? How much performance impact could I expect?
 
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by intotheblue
I'll be getting an automatic and it will never see a track
So what do you care about increasing the performance.
Are you sure you are not trying to impress the fellas.
Dont worry you would be in the majority.
But you would be making an expensive mistake. Jaguar hardly has any street cred with the lads. They are pushing 700hp in their beemers and the speed limit in Manhattan is 25.
The quickest way to a man's heart is through his gut. Take a cooking class instead.
 
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Queen and Country
So what do you care about increasing the performance.
Are you sure you are not trying to impress the fellas.
Dont worry you would be in the majority.
But you would be making an expensive mistake. Jaguar hardly has any street cred with the lads. They are pushing 700hp in their beemers and the speed limit in Manhattan is 25.
The quickest way to a man's heart is through his gut. Take a cooking class instead.
Your insinuations are getting old and not nearly as funny as they may sound in your head. I'm looking for that 30-70mph acceleration that's as fast and enjoyable as possible. Just that minute or 2 a day when merging onto a highway or passing slow traffic where I can really floor it and have a tiny bit of fun.

My BMW 328i with tune and exhaust is really fun in this power band even though it does a 6 second 0-60. The V6 S didn't feel any quicker from 30-50 mph, but picks up from 50-70 mph pretty noticeably. The 650i went from 30 to borderline scary in no time by comparison. I'll go to another Jag dealer tomorrow to get a better test at it.
 
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Queen and Country
OMG
This is what an amazing job BMW has done fooling the young.
If you are 34 why would you want a 60 year old on your arm, with significant medical bills, impending back surgery and at best 10 years of agility left. Do you realize how that makes you look?
Let me tell you, the only reason the 60 year old guy is driving a 6 series is because he can no longer get into a nibble roadster- and would gladly give up all the superficiality of impressing others if he could still have the fun he had at 34.

BTW, it's why BMW can get away with making such ugly 6 series 4 door. Because the 60 year old who has lost the will to live doesnt care anymore and the young delusional guy buying it thinks he will score notoriety points for understated opulence just on the badge alone.

This is not a question regarding BMW 2door Sedan vs FType sports car- your are at the most important crossroad of your life- its an IQ test.

You barely passed. Just get the Ftype you can afford TODAY. Sure you can buy bread for less money if you wait long enough- or date a supermodel if you wait till she is 80.
Damn, 60 is just ahead for me.... I hope I can still climb into my F-type!
 
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