I'm trying to decide whether or not to renew InControl for my 2017 and have some questions. I never use the phone app, so the only thing I want from IC is the location tracking in case of theft. But, I'm concerned about whether JLR is sharing my driving data with my insurance provider or anyone else. I have my own tracking tile in the car so I have that to locate the car as well as IC, but I like the idea of having the IC tracking as a backup.

Can I turn off data sharing completely and still have location tracking? I found the link for https://vehicleprivacyreport.com/ and emailed JLR as per the instructions there. Anyone have any knowledge of how well that works? But, what I really want to do is prevent IC or the car itself from transmitting any driving data to JLR. Can I do that?

If I decide not to renew IC I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to remove the SIM card in the car? I don't use the car as a hotspot, or the car's navigation, get that from my phone. And I'm not paying for any service for that SIM, so I think all that SIM is used for is IC, right?

I've been reading some of the posts here about IC but not all of them so I apologize if I've missed the info I'm looking for. Thanks.

 

I have a 2017, built late 2016, and also soon to renew In Control Remote. For the $70, I like that I can check on the car wherever it is. If at the dealer, has it been moved i.e. have they started working on it? Did they put it inside for overnight? I also thought the tracking was a good idea, in the unlikely, but possible scenario of theft. However, it has come to my attention that thieves now disconnect the battery, which of course would end the tracking ability.
I wrote JLR to ask if this would indeed be the case, and the answer was yes, but I should also verify with my dealer.
I checked into standalone tracking systems that have their own battery, but those require a monthly subscription for about $20 a month.
I'm not too concerned about any use of data, though I think Insurance companies' data sharing is worse. And how do those aftermarket warranty companies get my home phone number and know what car I have? Is the DMV selling it?

 

I let IC expire for my ‘18 XE with ICTP (10” screen). In addition to all the stuff they say you’ll lose, I also lost traffic on the nav map and the TuneIn streaming app. They didn’t mention those things. I had been paying for my own data SIM, thinking it could be used for those, but nope.

 

No! The car has Black Box Technologies you cant disable tracking for insurance purposes. You need to switch insurance companies because not all companies use data collected from your car. If you have a great driving record with a honorable company you will have no problem.

The way to test if the insurance company is tracking you is to hire a professional driver and pay him to drive way above the limit with the approval of law enforcement and see if your rates go up.

 

Thank you for this!! Looked up to see if my Ins. co (hagerty) uses it. The result was somewhat ambiguous, but I don't drive in a way that would alarm them, or cause them to raise my rates.

I can disable 'journeys' in Remote, but that is not the data that the black box is collecting.

 

Enable ALL the features. If your rates don’t go up, it’s not a problem. The Black Box definitely knows where the car is via Nav system as your car is ALWAYS connected to a satellite. FYI: The Journey feature is great for Valet and car service. You can actually see if the test drive was around the block or did they take it home overnight. I actually had a dealership say the mechanic needs to take my car to his house to see how it performs when completely cold! 🤣 I told them, never.

During the Pandemic lock down, I know someone who would occasionally drive their JLR product at very high speeds due to the fact the highways were empty—they got an unexplained rate increase. They later switched companies and their rates went lower than ever because the new didn’t track AND they gave credit for the low mileage used in one year.

 

My understanding of the Event Data Recorder ("black box") is that it shows critical data leading up to an "event," i.e. collision. That data cannot be used without court order or consent of the data owner (owner or lessee of vehicle) and to the best of my knowledge (based on 2016MY F-Type) requires physical access to the device. Some insurance companies offer discounts if a separate device is connected, and those send data over the air. Those are the ones that keep track things like frequency of hard braking and excessive speed.

To the OP's question, there are services like InControl that need to send data OTA for things like geolocation, but I'm not sure what the EULAs are for those since I never signed up. If I did, how would my insurance company know I have that unless I told them? If I did, I'd still need to provide explicit permission for them to access it, although concerned individuals should check for themselves since privacy laws differ by state and country.

 

vehicleprivacyreport.com works fine and is recommended. It allows you to opt out of any data sharing from JLR to insurance companies (and others). The car has TWO sims (at least mine does, as an older model). One is used by IC and is the one that requires an on-going subscription. Removing it doesn't change anything. The other SIM is used by JLR. On older models, that one used a legacy mobile frequency bands (3G/2G) that have sunset. Black boxes collect data that is contained with a car. It can (only) be shared by court order.

 

The critical thing that is being forgotten is that we ALL agreed to a multitude of things when we set up our infotainment system and installed all of the Jaguar App.s
NOBODY reads all that stuff as we probably gave up some rights.🇺🇸

 

[QUOTE=F-type-r-2022;2856891]Enable ALL the features. If your rates don’t go up, it’s not a problem. The Black Box definitely knows where the car is via Nav system as your car is ALWAYS connected to a satellite.

So if thieves were to disconnect the battery, the car is still connected to satellite??? Help me with that!

I did tell ins. Co about the tracking and I got a small, but nice discount.
I do enable jouneys for visits to dealer, for the reasons given. No valet, ever, as it's a manual trans.
This car does not have any SIMS, it would use the magic USB port in the cubby for nav updates, if there was a current one available.

 

And there's the rub. It's not up to you to decide. It is subjective, but on their side. Driving exactly the speed limit and a child darts out in front of you and you logically, rightfully, and reasonably stop short as to not hit the child. These ins. co's do not care one iota. All they see is hard braking. Driving along slower than the speed limit as there is a deluge from a terrible rain storm. Start to hydroplane a little bit and lose a bit of traction. Boop, more problems for the insurance company. This is the slippery slope that consumers have been tricked into. No way in hell would I ever allow data like this to be captured at all. If I had a car whereby I'd have no choice, or lose features that I effectively paid for, well, I'd just not own that car. Plain and simple. This is sort of why I'll never own a vehicle newer than 2017 ever.

 

[QUOTE=Valerie Stabenow;2857036]
Nothing works without the battery; however, a thief is unlikely to break into the trunk, triggering the siren etc…

 

I was under the impression that the telematics unit has its own batteries precisely so it continues to operate if the main battery is disconnected.

 

@DJS that is correct.

Here are more details on the lawsuit:

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/f...onsent-283739/

 

I sent a request to JLR using the vehicleprivacyreport template and got the following response.
"Hello,
have honored your request to opt out of sales and disclosure of your personal information to our advertising partners for purposes of targeted advertising. Nonetheless, if would like to stop our website from using your browsing information for targeted advertising (also known as “sharing”), please review the options in our website’s cookie banner or cookie-management tool because our website does not collect information necessary for us to identify a visitor as someone who has submitted a consumer request."

I responded to this with
"I'm asking you to stop ALL data sharing, including with insurance companies and any other vendor, not just your advertising partners.
Does JLR share or sell data to insurance companies? Or with anyone else? If so, please opt me out."
I'll update here if I get a response.

Meanwhile I'm planning to not renew InControl.

And I'm also thinking about removing the SIM card from the car. What do we think about that? Removing the SIM will prevent the car from sending any data to anyone, right?.

I got the following response from an AI I use called Perplexity.ai when querying what functionality I would lose without the SIM.

Functionality Lost if SIM Card Is Removed from a 2017 Jaguar F-Type

If you remove the SIM card from your 2017 Jaguar F-Type, you will lose several connected and online features:

1. Loss of In-Car Data Connectivity

• Wi-Fi Hotspot: The vehicle will no longer be able to create an in-car Wi-Fi hotspot, so passengers’ devices cannot connect to the internet using the car’s data connection12.
• Online Services: The infotainment system will lose access to online features such as live weather updates, news, real-time parking and fuel price information, flight times, and online traffic data for navigation1 3.

2. Impact on Navigation Services

• Connected Navigation: Certain navigation features—such as live traffic, route updates, and syncing of destinations with your profile—require a data connection provided by the SIM card. Without it, only basic offline navigation will be available, without any real-time updates or dynamic rerouting 3 4 5.

3. Disruption to Telematics and Jaguar InControl Services

• Remote Services: Features that allow remote vehicle monitoring, remote start, or unlocking/locking via Jaguar InControl Remote may not work fully, as these use the car’s cellular connectivity 3 6.
• Connected Apps: You will not be able to use some InControl Apps that require an active internet connection within the vehicle 6.

4. Loss of Software Updates via Cellular Data

• Over-the-Air Updates: Any updates to the infotainment or navigation systems that rely on a direct cellular connection will be unavailable until the SIM card is replaced4.

What Will Still Work?

• Basic Functions: Standard Bluetooth connectivity, USB media, FM/AM/HD radio, and the audio system will remain operational 6 7.
• Offline Navigation: You can still use the car’s basic navigation if local map data is stored, but real-time traffic and online search features will be disabled 4 5.

Summary Table:
Feature Works w/out SIM Requires SIM Card

Wi-Fi Hotspot ✗ ✓

Real-Time Traffic & Connected Navigation. ✗ ✓

Online Apps & Services (Weather, News, etc.) ✗ ✓

Bluetooth, USB, FM/AM/HD Radio ✓ ✗

Remote Vehicle Monitoring (some features). Partial. Partial/✓

Software Updates via Car’s Cellular Data. ✗ ✓

Removing the SIM effectively turns off all on-board internet-based features while keeping standard infotainment and basic navigation functionality intact 1 3 6.

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