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Old Jul 26, 2018 | 11:36 AM
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Something to be aware of, I used to use an ITG foam filter just like these on my BMW M Roadster cold air intake and after a few years of uses I noticed the foam started to rot. Pieces of foam (lots of them) would just crumble off the filter. I was worried that pieces of plastic foam would get sucked into the engine and do damage so I promptly removed the ITG filter and replaced it with a Amzoil double cone pleated gauze filter, that uses no oil. Other people on the BMW forum reported the same issue and recommended the Amzoil filter.
Since this mod does seem to work so well at increasing blower whine. Why doesn't the Eventuri Intake system seem to make as big of difference in whine? It's basically the same thing but with a shroud around the sides?
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A form filter is not a lifetime filter, I shall replace these every couple of years and will also keep an eye on them, the one advantage they do have is been in the bumper on the F-Type means they are less exposed to crazy high temperatures like you generally get under the hood.
I shall get a price for just filters from ITG as then it can be factored into every 2yr service cost.
 
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Old Jul 26, 2018 | 02:55 PM
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Email sent!

Hopefully they will respond and take my money
 
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Old Jul 26, 2018 | 03:03 PM
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Email sent!

Hopefully they will respond and take my money
Give them a few days to respond as he is an engineer not a sales guy.
 
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Old Jul 27, 2018 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Gibbo205
Give them a few days to respond as he is an engineer not a sales guy.
Haha will do
 
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Old Jul 29, 2018 | 02:58 PM
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So I have no doubt that these will bolt up to the XE right in front of the MAF tube.

My only question is: the XE has an air snorkel before the filters that drives in air from the front opening of the hood (where it meets the front bumper). So if I just take out the filter boxes and replace it with these cones, will that air snorkel still be effective?

Wouldnt the intake use path of least resistance and start pulling in hot air from under the hood rather than from the snorkels which face out?
 
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Old Jul 30, 2018 | 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by alphakinase
So I have no doubt that these will bolt up to the XE right in front of the MAF tube.

My only question is: the XE has an air snorkel before the filters that drives in air from the front opening of the hood (where it meets the front bumper). So if I just take out the filter boxes and replace it with these cones, will that air snorkel still be effective?

Wouldnt the intake use path of least resistance and start pulling in hot air from under the hood rather than from the snorkels which face out?

The snorkel will still bring in cold air when the car has momentum, but it will no longer be sucking in cold air due to removing the air boxes it connects too. On an F-Type this is less an issue because the cone filter are located lower down in the bumper where cooler air is naturally available.
You could monitor IAT's before and after to see the difference, any major difference will only be when the car is idling and thus creating heat soak on the filters, once you have momentum temperatures will drop but maybe not as quick as they did.

Of course you will get a lot more SC whine. Only true and fair way to test these is 1/4 mile, you can't rely on dyno data for the simple fact a dyno cannot take into effect how effective or not the stock RAM AIR system was at reducing the IAT's.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2018 | 11:12 AM
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Thanks Gibbo. Pretty much what I was thinking as well...

The setup that ITG ran on the Project 8 was a closed filter housing, right? And it still got loads of whine. I wonder if they could supply something like that for the XE which would enable the best of both worlds...

I think running open filters in the engine bay is out of the question in this Texas heat.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2018 | 11:31 AM
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Has anyone measured the inlet side of the MAF box on the V6? I’m trying to determine if it is the same size as on the V8 to ensure that the ITG filter kit will fit the V6. (Part numbers are not the same for those boxes).
 
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Old Jul 30, 2018 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Unhingd
Has anyone measured the inlet side of the MAF box on the V6? I’m trying to determine if it is the same size as on the V8 to ensure that the ITG filter kit will fit the V6. (Part numbers are not the same for those boxes).
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All all V6 and V8 use the same dual air boxes, then in theory yes should work across all F-Types.
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I'm just taking a risk off of Gibbo's post lol. I just got an email response from ITG this morning that they are going to put my order in and should take about 3 weeks. I'll make sure I let them know again that I have the V6.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2018 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FR500GT
I'm just taking a risk off of Gibbo's post lol. I just got an email response from ITG this morning that they are going to put my order in and should take about 3 weeks. I'll make sure I let them know again that I have the V6.
i thought the air boxes were the same as well, but I looked up the part numbers and they are all different including the piping and sensors. ITG asked me to measure the tube diameter at the MAF to confirm that it’s the same as on the V8.
Can’t get to that until after the Blueberry Blast. At this point, maybe best to let you attempt the test fit since you appear to be well along in the process.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2018 | 07:32 PM
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Gibbo, I'm thinking of fitting a pair of cone filters in place of the stock airboxes, but not necessarily the ITG ones.
Can you let me/us know the outer diameter of the OEM pipe/tube on the airbox that connects to the MAF tube, so I/we can order filters and/or connecting tubes with the correct size opening?
I'm guessing you still have the original airboxes laying around so it shouldn't be too hard to measure.
Also, can you give me/us some pointers on the length, angle and diameter of any connecting silicone hose/tube that might be needed (between the MAF tube and the cone filter)?
I'm guessing that this piece of connecting tube should be 90 mm internal diameter at the MAF tube end, around 60 mm long, and maybe with a 45 degree bend in the middle?
 
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Old Jul 30, 2018 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by OzXFR
Gibbo, I'm thinking of fitting a pair of cone filters in place of the stock airboxes, but not necessarily the ITG ones.
Can you let me/us know the outer diameter of the OEM pipe/tube on the airbox that connects to the MAF tube, so I/we can order filters and/or connecting tubes with the correct size opening?
I'm guessing you still have the original airboxes laying around so it shouldn't be too hard to measure.
Also, can you give me/us some pointers on the length, angle and diameter of any connecting silicone hose/tube that might be needed (between the MAF tube and the cone filter)?
I'm guessing that this piece of connecting tube should be 90 mm internal diameter at the MAF tube end, around 60 mm long, and maybe with a 45 degree bend in the middle?
ITG claims the inside diameter of the transition tube needs to be 89mm for the V8. I'm trying to ascertain what that dimension is on the V6.

 
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Old Jul 31, 2018 | 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by OzXFR
Gibbo, I'm thinking of fitting a pair of cone filters in place of the stock airboxes, but not necessarily the ITG ones.
Can you let me/us know the outer diameter of the OEM pipe/tube on the airbox that connects to the MAF tube, so I/we can order filters and/or connecting tubes with the correct size opening?
I'm guessing you still have the original airboxes laying around so it shouldn't be too hard to measure.
Also, can you give me/us some pointers on the length, angle and diameter of any connecting silicone hose/tube that might be needed (between the MAF tube and the cone filter)?
I'm guessing that this piece of connecting tube should be 90 mm internal diameter at the MAF tube end, around 60 mm long, and maybe with a 45 degree bend in the middle?

For the angle it is best to look at my photos, or maybe just email them to sell you just the silicon hoses, but there filters are very good as you get the benefit of dense foam media and also the benefit of them using oil but none of the downsides of them using oil as the oil is only on the outer surface, as such does not pass through the foam to potentially mess with the maf sensor.
 
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Old Jul 31, 2018 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Unhingd
ITG claims the inside diameter of the transition tube needs to be 89mm for the V8. I'm trying to ascertain what that dimension is on the V6.
Yeah they just emailed me back and said that they are pretty sure it's the same but asked if I can measure it out (Not sure if I'll have access to it anytime soon). Hopefully someone can chime in with the answer so that ITG can start shipping these out!
 
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Old Sep 1, 2018 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by FR500GT
Yeah they just emailed me back and said that they are pretty sure it's the same but asked if I can measure it out (Not sure if I'll have access to it anytime soon). Hopefully someone can chime in with the answer so that ITG can start shipping these out!
Take a look at eventuri's install instructions. On page 3 seems like the V6 uses a different reducer.
http://www.eventuri.net/wp-content/u...tion-Guide.pdf
 
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Old Sep 3, 2018 | 03:46 AM
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Hi there


So I am still loving the cone filter, but now I love them even more, my previous PB at quarter mile was 11.28@124mph, well today I visited the drag strip again (Santa Pod).

I beat my last PB twice and all my runs were also 1-2mph faster in terminal speed and if anything the ambient temperatures were higher, my mate in his GTR was really struggling with temperatures.

I ran a new PB of 11.17@126.54mph (1/8 7.25@101mph) !!!

You do not know how happy I am, so basically the ITG cone filter are not hurting performance at all, it really is so impressive that an SVR still on its factory tuning is running so fast, it is beating tuned R's with pulley upgrades.
I think my next upgrade shall be a bigger radiator, as the cars best run was the first run where it had been allowed to cool off.

Also my best runs this time were in the full on dynamic VMAX mode (suspension and gearbox on normal), I left the tyre pressures at factory 37psi all round, the car felt like it hooked amazingly, whereas the 60FT was actually very similar to previous runs (1.74s), but the car just felt super strong for the whole run. I then changed lanes and ran again, still in VMAX mode but of course engine hotter but still ran a 11.26@126mph. Then for fun I tried the snow mode as in the past it worked well, but the car for sure felt slower in 3rd gear, ran an 11.37@124mph. So for my final run as the car was hooking so well I went back to Vmax mode but put suspension in dynamic, but as expected 60FT was worse, down to 1.77s and ran a 11.36@126mph.

But in VMAX mode the car feels stronger at top-end in each gear, I think in VMAX there is no torque reduction between shifts, it just slams the gear in, feels so strong.

I think with a larger radiator, a cold day and good surface prep this car might even snag a high ten second run (10.99999), that would be a dream for sure!
 
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Old Sep 3, 2018 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Gibbo205
You do not know how happy I am, so basically the ITG cone filter are not hurting performance at all, it really is so impressive that an SVR still on its factory tuning is running so fast, it is beating tuned R's with pulley upgrades.
I think my next upgrade shall be a bigger radiator, as the cars best run was the first run where it had been allowed to cool off.
Extremely happy for your new personal best! I'd be hesitant to claim your car faster than cars with pulley upgrades however; without having them side by side its very hard to tell, you drove at a very favorable racetrack for both ET and MPH. Those of us in the US hardly have the opportunity to drive at such an ideal track.

If you go with the bigger radiator, be prepared for the very likely possibility that nothing changes. The de-rating values on this car are calculated from what I understand and not actually based on physically monitoring temps. Example being that the engine will still try and cool the cats down when it thinks they get hot, even if you remove them entirely. Not knowing Jaguar's software, I can't say what impact coolant temps have on de-rate, but its very possible that their strategy for this works in a similar manner.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2018 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Stohlen
Extremely happy for your new personal best! I'd be hesitant to claim your car faster than cars with pulley upgrades however; without having them side by side its very hard to tell, you drove at a very favorable racetrack for both ET and MPH. Those of us in the US hardly have the opportunity to drive at such an ideal track.

If you go with the bigger radiator, be prepared for the very likely possibility that nothing changes. The de-rating values on this car are calculated from what I understand and not actually based on physically monitoring temps. Example being that the engine will still try and cool the cats down when it thinks they get hot, even if you remove them entirely. Not knowing Jaguar's software, I can't say what impact coolant temps have on de-rate, but its very possible that their strategy for this works in a similar manner.
True, I'd like to fit high-flow cats, but don't want the hassle of an engine light.
Santa Pod is a good track, good surface for sure, however it is 2 degrees uphill and generally always has a head wind, though on Sunday it was a light cross wind. So of course if it was downhill or even level be favourable, but its a good track that gives consistent results, but is certainly a heat breaker for some. When I owned my Mustang it was quite heart breaking, but after watching a lot of US video's of drag strips I could see so many drag strips in US are actually downhill giving favourable times.

Be nice if I could bag a 10s pass without tuning, might be possible in colder weather, for sure the ITG filters did not hurt anything though, I think my previous best terminal was 124mph, so to run consistent 126mph terminals was nice.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2018 | 08:08 AM
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Dat whine

 
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Old Sep 5, 2018 | 08:10 AM
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Sounds great dude. Love how consistent the times are.
 
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