went and test drive a 2019 Ftype R AWD…. A few things struck me as off…

1- so when I got into the car. Initially the driver side HVAC Would not work. temp was on 60 on auto and would not go up. Passenger side worked normal. Also on driver side pushing the button to access seat heating/cooling it would only cool. After restarting the car it seemed to work fine. Odd...

2- Its cold outside and the snow flake thing was on in the center digital cluster area. Start Stop I turned it on - but it would not function. The non-jag dealership said that's because its cold outside. Any thoughts on that?

3- the Rear Spoiler button. This is the non-fixed wing that goes up at a certain speed and then goes down at a certain speed. I can't remember but I saw it do that. At no time was able to push the rear spoiler button up when it was down to put it up, nor was I able to bring the spoiler down when it was up. Is that normal? when can use this rear Spoiler button? Even when I was parked it did nothing. When is this manual spoiler button supposed to work?

Loth

 

Heya,

1) I had a similar issue in my BMW X5 re; A/C. Turns out the refrigerant was low and that caused it to only cool one side of the car. Maybe Jag is similar.
2) don't use the stop/start so can't really comment..however i do know they typically need to meet a bunch of parameters before the car will allow the process to proceed.
3) Spoiler button is only used while stopped as I recall. Otherwise it goes up at around 80mph and down around 40mph (from canuckistan so i can only reference close to our required speeds).

 

The convertible spoiler can be raised or lowered while driving (but can’t be lowered over 60MPH), auto up at 60MPH, down at 40MPH.
Coupe spoiler can only be raised/lowered while in P, for cleaning. Auto up at 70MPH, down at 50MPH. (I think.)

 

Yes, for manual trans, spoiler automatically deploys at 70 mph and retracts at 50. The manual spoiler switch on my 2017 did not work when I got the car in 2020. The switch was replaced under warranty. I believe it only operates when car is stationary, for cleaning, for example.

 

Many issues on the F Type have a related cause: low charge or old battery. When I purchased my 2017 R, start/stop didn't work for almost a year. Then, I replaced the battery, and start/stop began working. I had no idea. These cars throws tons of weird errors and codes with low or bad batteries. Also, the interior temperature measurement comes from behind a little grill on the right side of the steering wheel. There's a fan that circulates air over the sensor, and its very common to get dust bunnies that clog the whole thing. When this happens, interior HVAC gets all screwy. First thing to check is to clear out that sensor behind the grill. Finally, the wing button only raises it for cleaning with the engine off and ignition on. FYI.

 

The spoiler switch operation varies according to market, I believe it works when the car is in motion in the UK (fixed spoiler here so no idea personally), but I've read that in the US it only operates when parked, for maintenance, etc.

 

Regarding the OP's questions about that 2019 R AWD:

1) Tend to agree with the suggestion about coolant level. Had a similar problem with a Dakota Pickup on a very hot day in So. Calif. FWIW, heating and cooling in Jaguar vehicles seem to operate differently from 'normal' vehicles. Perhaps due to an overlong history with Lucas components.

2) On the F-type, AWD with AT normally operates with 90% of torque directed towards the rear wheels - more like RWD - with the ability to redirect torque to different wheels when/if needed. There's a slider switch on the console that turns on/off either the "Dynamic" or "Rain/Snow/Ice" mode. When in R/S/I mode is active, initial torque is instead directed equally towards all four wheels, similar to 4WD. Presumably, active R/S/I mode will give the IDD (Intelligent Driveline Dynamics) system a 'heads up' as to driving conditions and driver preferences. The 'snow flake thing' is an indication only of outside temperature, and lights up when outside temp is below 40 degrees F as a suggestion to turn on R/S/I mode.

The 'Start/Stop' button is an entirely different system and has nothing to do with AWD, IDD, or temperature. When S/S is active (the light on the button is lit) the system will generally shut down the engine when the car is idling at a stop. Both the AWD and S/S technologies were introduced by Jaguar in 2013 with the XF and XJ models.

3) On my MY21 coupe, the spoiler rises when speed rises above 70 mph and drops when speed drops to 50. The purpose of the console switch is only for cleaning, and is non-functional when the car is moving.

So... when are you going back for another test drive?

 

early next week! So I take it 32F weather should not turn off the S/S function? I could turn it on, it would just not engage it and would pop up the A with a line through it. Regarding the hvac issue. Oh it was cooling it would not allow me on the driver side to turn up the heat or heat the seat, passenger side acted normally. When I restarted the car both sides worked fine. I checked the coolant before starting the car it was between min and max. Also it has the newer but plastic coolant pipes 👍🏻

there are some parts that will need replaced. Was wondering if anyone has part numbers for me to compare to parts places online where the pics are hard to understand.

1- there appears to be a protectant guard right at the bottoms of the car that is scratched up. It appears to be 3 parts… can anyone confirm part numbers?

- end cap deflect left T2R23442
- end cap deflect rightT2R23440
- spoiler center T2R23444

2- just above the infotainment screen and below the vents is a rectangular piece of aluminum trim. Mine appears to be light aluminum…. Somehow it got scratched. it is right there to see so id like to replace it. Last 5 of my vin is 59832.

- trim panel with clip - T2R26682

3- this same scratch effecting the aluminum trim piece below the vent goes down onto the surround trim about the screen. The screen is fine but its immediate trim is not…. it’s a 10 inch screen and I’d like to replace that surrounding trim if possible…is that possible without replacing the screen itself? Anyone know that part number for the 10 inch Ftype screen trim if so. I looked and can only see the trim with buttons on the L and R which the 10 inch screen got rid of.

-?? no idea what part number from my search

Loth

 

My MY18 handbook says the folowing conditions will stop the stop/start from operating:

External temp below 0C (approx)
External temp above 40C (approx)
Engine or other vehicle systems have not reached optimum operating temps
Drivers seat belt is unbuckled
Demand from the climate control system requires the engine to be running, e.g. when in defrost mode
Vehicle's battery charge is low (likely if the car has been on the dealer's lot for some time)
Stop/start has been deactivated (d'uh!)
A gearshift paddle has been used to select a gear (AT vehicles only)

Probably applies to later cars, too.

 

Can't speak to the coupes, but the spoiler will operate by the switch while in motion on my US convertible. You can raise or lower it up to the deployment speed (60mph), but once it deploys automatically you cannot lower it with the switch until you drop below deployment speed again (60mph) even though the automatic retraction speed is 40mph.

 

well.. it was cold but it wasn’t 0C… that would be 32F not 34F hmm

 

In no particular order:

I see a few things that could be low battery voltage (e.g. seat heater, start/stop). That's the first response you'll get here to any odd or intermittent issue that's even remotely related to anything electronic.

The snowflake on the dash means it's cold enough outside that you should be careful, additionally so if you have summer tires. I can't recall the temperature. It is independent of the ice/snow mode.

The spoiler button, as noted, in the US is only for cleaning, at least for the coupe. You need to be stopped, and I think you need to hold it down for a few seconds before it rises. If you have it up and start driving, it will go down and resume normal automatic operation. The speed of deployment varies by body type, not engine or transmission. For the coupe, it's up at 70, down at 50. I think the convertible is 60/40, but don't have one handy to test. I could check the manual, but I don't think it's all that important right now.

The three pieces under the front act as "feelers" for clearance. They'll make a grinding noise inside the car, but that's the warning sound. They're inexpensive and easily replaced. I scrape the fuzzy parts off from time to time but haven't replaced them.

The trim piece on the dash should be easy to change but I haven't tried. I think there was a carbon fiber set for above and below the infotainment screen, so expect it just pops off using some interior trim tools.

 

anyone have a part number on the. black plastic surround for the 10 inch screen on an Ftype. On harper they are showing the smaller screen with the buttons on the L and R.