Genrad GDS3500 WDS Docking Station
#241
Ha Ha you have been doing what I have done ybp.
I can confirm C2, C4 & C5 do not have on them any strategies starting GH.
I have a database of 721 ECU bins pre WDS & I don't have any either!
I assume you want to look at the Escort Cosworth that GHAJ0 strategy relates too.
http://www.freeuploadsite.com/do.php?id=4737
All I can give you is this link to download a BE2012 definition file for GHAJO.
Also WDS Disc's before B-21 also contained the PCM calibration data found on the later C disc's. These are the disc's you need to look at.
This is what I have & I am willing to swop any copies for pre B-21 disc's. Thanks.
Ford Europe.
A-6
B-21
B-21E
B-25
B-26
B-28
B-29
B-30
B-31
B-32
B-33
B-34
B-35
B-36
B-36A
B-37
B-38
B-39
B-39A
B-40
B-41
B-42
B-43
B-44A
B-45
B-45updates
C-2
C-4 (2 CDs)
C-5 (2 CDs)
TSB41/2004
I can confirm C2, C4 & C5 do not have on them any strategies starting GH.
I have a database of 721 ECU bins pre WDS & I don't have any either!
I assume you want to look at the Escort Cosworth that GHAJ0 strategy relates too.
http://www.freeuploadsite.com/do.php?id=4737
All I can give you is this link to download a BE2012 definition file for GHAJO.
Also WDS Disc's before B-21 also contained the PCM calibration data found on the later C disc's. These are the disc's you need to look at.
This is what I have & I am willing to swop any copies for pre B-21 disc's. Thanks.
Ford Europe.
A-6
B-21
B-21E
B-25
B-26
B-28
B-29
B-30
B-31
B-32
B-33
B-34
B-35
B-36
B-36A
B-37
B-38
B-39
B-39A
B-40
B-41
B-42
B-43
B-44A
B-45
B-45updates
C-2
C-4 (2 CDs)
C-5 (2 CDs)
TSB41/2004
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ybp (06-09-2014)
#242
Ah Ok. I bought a disc from you on ebay, about 10 minutes before I found this thread LOL.
I can confirm C2, C4 & C5 do not have on them any strategies starting GH.
Hopefully, it has earlier stuff loaded, as it comes with B23 & C2.
I have a database of 721 ECU bins pre WDS & I don't have any either!
I assume you want to look at the Escort Cosworth that GHAJ0 strategy relates too.
http://www.freeuploadsite.com/do.php?id=4737
http://www.freeuploadsite.com/do.php?id=4737
I'm interested in the full 64kb of ANTI and the other two of five, plus other stuff of that era.
Also WDS Disc's before B-21 also contained the PCM calibration data found on the later C disc's. These are the disc's you need to look at.
This is what I have & I am willing to swop any copies for pre B-21 disc's. Thanks.
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Cheers
John
Last edited by ybp; 06-09-2014 at 06:15 AM.
#243
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Ha Ha well at least you have a proper original copy now.
It won't have what you're looking for mate.
Infact I am 99% certain no WDS disc will have what you're after.
I can't be certain about pre B-21 disks as I have none.
I don't even think them files are on the FDS disks either as I have all of them except one or two.
Thanks but I only tune ABARO so they would be no use to me.
WDS is not very good for pre 2000 Ford especially ECU programming.
FDS is much better & will often do cars the WDS can not.
Ah Ok. I bought a disc from you on ebay, about 10 minutes before I found this thread LOL.
Ok thanks, as it happens I bought a PTU, base, disks and cables, just this morning.
Hopefully, it has earlier stuff loaded, as it comes with B23 & C2.
Hopefully, it has earlier stuff loaded, as it comes with B23 & C2.
Infact I am 99% certain no WDS disc will have what you're after.
I can't be certain about pre B-21 disks as I have none.
I don't even think them files are on the FDS disks either as I have all of them except one or two.
Apparently there are 5 calibrations that fall under the GHAJ0 strategy. I have CARD and COSY from the ECU's 56kb or the full 64kb. Your welcome to both.
I'm interested in the full 64kb of ANTI and the other two of five, plus other stuff of that era.
FDS is much better & will often do cars the WDS can not.
Last edited by howiedintheplace; 06-14-2014 at 02:07 AM.
#244
Can anyone say for sure they have got 256mb memory to work in a WDS.
I can't get it too.
I have tried these two.
I figured out PC100 memory does not work in a WDS so that explains that.
But even locked PC66 256mb memory will not boot, yet 128mb does & anything smaller.
I have come to the conclusion it does not support 256mb modules unless anyone can tell me different.
Thanks.
I can't get it too.
I have tried these two.
I figured out PC100 memory does not work in a WDS so that explains that.
But even locked PC66 256mb memory will not boot, yet 128mb does & anything smaller.
I have come to the conclusion it does not support 256mb modules unless anyone can tell me different.
Thanks.
#245
I have tried PC66 256MB without success. I tried a few SIMMs but I can ONLY get a 128MB 'stick' to operate.
Both my PTUs have 160MB (128 + the original 32MB soldered to the board).
I guess you could install two 128MB to get to the 256MB max if you wanted to remove the 32MB from the board and install a 128 (soldered) and slide the other 128 into the slot.
Good Luck.
bob gauff
Both my PTUs have 160MB (128 + the original 32MB soldered to the board).
I guess you could install two 128MB to get to the 256MB max if you wanted to remove the 32MB from the board and install a 128 (soldered) and slide the other 128 into the slot.
Good Luck.
bob gauff
#246
Hmmmm, sounds ominous. The WDS unit is still in transit, so I don't know what earlier stuff is included.
Thanks but I only tune ABARO so they would be no use to me.
BOB engine ?
WDS is not very good for pre 2000 Ford especially ECU programming.
FDS is much better & will often do cars the WDS can not.
FDS is much better & will often do cars the WDS can not.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
#247
#248
Yes. The V6 Cologne 24v BOB Cosworth.
I use the WDS to data log & to run the software I use to remap the ECU's.
It's still an ongoing project that's not perfected yet.
The FDS is a more reliable system for re-flashing but only STD maps.
I can't get it to flash my modified maps.
Thanks for the confirmation.
256mb memory does not work with the WDS PTU.
I also use 128mb boards for 160mb total.
I use the WDS to data log & to run the software I use to remap the ECU's.
It's still an ongoing project that's not perfected yet.
The FDS is a more reliable system for re-flashing but only STD maps.
I can't get it to flash my modified maps.
Thanks for the confirmation.
256mb memory does not work with the WDS PTU.
I also use 128mb boards for 160mb total.
#250
Do you want to ADD/REMOVE Key Transponders??????
A little more info will get a MORE correct answer.
bob gauff
#251
I replaced the instrument cluster, and now the car won't start. I tried doing the immo setup, but that didn't work.
#252
Why did you replace the INST PK??????
There was a TSB for the 2000MY X100/X300 INST PKs (Service Action S484).
Was the Service Action performed on either/both???????????
I have installed salvage yard INST PKs and they were 'plug-n-play' except the mileage was different.
Make SURE you get the correct one. I don't know if different MY or VCATS units will work. I always get the same Model Year and S/C or NA depending on the car.
You might type in a more of a story or explanation (eg. symptoms and diagnostics) of what happened, what diagnosis led to you to your decision and the steps taken for repair.
bob gauff
There was a TSB for the 2000MY X100/X300 INST PKs (Service Action S484).
Was the Service Action performed on either/both???????????
I have installed salvage yard INST PKs and they were 'plug-n-play' except the mileage was different.
Make SURE you get the correct one. I don't know if different MY or VCATS units will work. I always get the same Model Year and S/C or NA depending on the car.
You might type in a more of a story or explanation (eg. symptoms and diagnostics) of what happened, what diagnosis led to you to your decision and the steps taken for repair.
bob gauff
#253
Why did you replace the INST PK??????
There was a TSB for the 2000MY X100/X300 INST PKs (Service Action S484).
Was the Service Action performed on either/both???????????
I have installed salvage yard INST PKs and they were 'plug-n-play' except the mileage was different.
Make SURE you get the correct one. I don't know if different MY or VCATS units will work. I always get the same Model Year and S/C or NA depending on the car.
You might type in a more of a story or explanation (eg. symptoms and diagnostics) of what happened, what diagnosis led to you to your decision and the steps taken for repair.
bob gauff
There was a TSB for the 2000MY X100/X300 INST PKs (Service Action S484).
Was the Service Action performed on either/both???????????
I have installed salvage yard INST PKs and they were 'plug-n-play' except the mileage was different.
Make SURE you get the correct one. I don't know if different MY or VCATS units will work. I always get the same Model Year and S/C or NA depending on the car.
You might type in a more of a story or explanation (eg. symptoms and diagnostics) of what happened, what diagnosis led to you to your decision and the steps taken for repair.
bob gauff
#254
If you put the OLD INSTPK back in will the engine start?????
If the engine starts, then the car is NOT IMMObilized.
Does the replacement INSTPK have the same VCATS??
Is it from a 2000MY XK8??
Does it have an M on the back plate?? (S484 performed??)
How familiar are you with WDS??
What version of software are you using??
You might have a faulty replacement INSTPK???
bob gauff
If the engine starts, then the car is NOT IMMObilized.
Does the replacement INSTPK have the same VCATS??
Is it from a 2000MY XK8??
Does it have an M on the back plate?? (S484 performed??)
How familiar are you with WDS??
What version of software are you using??
You might have a faulty replacement INSTPK???
bob gauff
#255
Just to be clear fellas, a 2000 XK8 will have to have the immobilization reset to allow starting. Any car with a PATS key, a key with a chip in it, will have to have to have that done if a used IPC is installed. Without doing that, it thinks the key is un-programmed and will not crank and start.
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Ignore that last statement in bold. Steve [WhiteXKR] caught me being stupid and doing what I caution others not to do....... not to be sure of the model, model year or system you are talking about.
This is solid evidence that an old guy with a small melon has to be careful and remember, when you pour more stuff in, it is likely gonna make other stuff pour out. See Post #260
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The 2000 XK8 will not have to have the immobilization reset if the instrument pack is substituted. I will try to clarify which ones do in a later post.
My apologies for the mis-direction.
Also, a used IPC should NEVER be 'programmed' in a second car. Any attempt to do that will likely make it forever unusable. These are designed to have the VIN programmed into the pack the first time. Any attempt to do that again trashes the pack.
So, a used IPC in any car will forever have the wrong VIN in it, but the car will start and run. That is not a problem most places, but in some states with mandatory inspections, those VIN's are checked and a mismatch will fail the inspection.
Cheers,
************************************************** ****
Ignore that last statement in bold. Steve [WhiteXKR] caught me being stupid and doing what I caution others not to do....... not to be sure of the model, model year or system you are talking about.
This is solid evidence that an old guy with a small melon has to be careful and remember, when you pour more stuff in, it is likely gonna make other stuff pour out. See Post #260
************************************************** ****
The 2000 XK8 will not have to have the immobilization reset if the instrument pack is substituted. I will try to clarify which ones do in a later post.
My apologies for the mis-direction.
Also, a used IPC should NEVER be 'programmed' in a second car. Any attempt to do that will likely make it forever unusable. These are designed to have the VIN programmed into the pack the first time. Any attempt to do that again trashes the pack.
So, a used IPC in any car will forever have the wrong VIN in it, but the car will start and run. That is not a problem most places, but in some states with mandatory inspections, those VIN's are checked and a mismatch will fail the inspection.
Cheers,
Last edited by xjrguy; 06-24-2014 at 03:12 PM.
#256
If you put the OLD INSTPK back in will the engine start?????
If the engine starts, then the car is NOT IMMObilized.
Does the replacement INSTPK have the same VCATS??
Is it from a 2000MY XK8??
Does it have an M on the back plate?? (S484 performed??)
How familiar are you with WDS??
What version of software are you using??
You might have a faulty replacement INSTPK???
bob gauff
If the engine starts, then the car is NOT IMMObilized.
Does the replacement INSTPK have the same VCATS??
Is it from a 2000MY XK8??
Does it have an M on the back plate?? (S484 performed??)
How familiar are you with WDS??
What version of software are you using??
You might have a faulty replacement INSTPK???
bob gauff
#257
Just to be clear fellas, a 2000 XK8 will have to have the immobilization reset to allow starting. Any car with a PATS key, a key with a chip in it, will have to have to have that done if a used IPC is installed. Without doing that, it thinks the key is un-programmed and will not crank and start.
Also, a used IPC should NEVER be 'programmed' in a second car. Any attempt to do that will likely make it forever unusable. These are designed to have the VIN programmed into the pack the first time. Any attempt to do that again trashes the pack.
So, a used IPC in any car will forever have the wrong VIN in it, but the car will start and run. That is not a problem most places, but in some states with mandatory inspections, those VIN's are checked and a mismatch will fail the inspection.
Cheers,
Also, a used IPC should NEVER be 'programmed' in a second car. Any attempt to do that will likely make it forever unusable. These are designed to have the VIN programmed into the pack the first time. Any attempt to do that again trashes the pack.
So, a used IPC in any car will forever have the wrong VIN in it, but the car will start and run. That is not a problem most places, but in some states with mandatory inspections, those VIN's are checked and a mismatch will fail the inspection.
Cheers,
#258
Just to be clear fellas, a 2000 XK8 will have to have the immobilization reset to allow starting. Any car with a PATS key, a key with a chip in it, will have to have to have that done if a used IPC is installed. Without doing that, it thinks the key is un-programmed and will not crank and start.
Cheers,
Cheers,
#259
bob gauff
#260
Whether or not the immobilization has to be reset to allow starting after a module substitution, really depends on which engine management system the car has. That is because the modules involved in the PATS security system varies. I'll see if I can make this understandable:
X100, X308 4.0L V8 [AJ26/AJ27]
Denso 16-bit Engine System
X200 4.0L V8 and 3.0L V6 [AJ60/AJ28/AJ26]
PTEC Engine System
X103, X105, X202, X204, X206, X350, X356, X358, X400, X404 [AJ61/AJ62/AJ33/AJ34]
Denso 32-bit Engine system**
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PATS Involved Modules:
Denso 16-bit
Engine Control Module [ECM]
Key Transponder Module [KTM]
Body Processor [BPM]
PTEC Engine System
Engine Control Module [ECM]
Instrument Pack [IPC]
General Electronic Module [GECM]
Denso 32-bit
Engine Control Module [ECM]
Instrument Pack [IPC]
**For 2006-2008, the XJ and S-Type got a new engine system called the PAN-PAG ECM system, but the PATS remained the same.
Any PATS involved module, if it is substituted, can be 'immobilized' so it will function, [and allow starting] but it cannot be 'programmed' to the vehicle like it is a new module.
Whew! There it is. And you thought it was cut and dried...........
Sorry for the confusion.
Last edited by xjrguy; 06-24-2014 at 03:14 PM.