Hello fellow Jag enthusiasts.

I've owned my '01 Stype 4.0 for almost 3 years now. It has just over 85,000 mi on it. It has been an absolute pleasure to drive. Very clean and pretty. No major mechanical issues until....

I take it on a cruise to the country to visit my family, about a 170mi one way. Drives great as usual, i run it around a couple time throughout the week. No problem. I set it in my Ma's garage as we were expecting hail storms. When I'm ready to jump in to drive back home, won't start. It's turning over but not starting.

Because I read this forum from time to time I've deducted that it's most likely a timing chain problem. Battery is brand new and it's turning over as I said, so the starter isn't the problem.

First question: how much can I expect to pay for a repair to the timing chain?
I don't possess the tools or expertise to do it myself so I had it towed to the closest Ford dealer (again location is rural, so no Jag dealer around). I very much hope there is no valve damage. I figure I'll be fleeced because I'm an out of towner at a dealership. I'll cough up the repair to the chain but if there is any valve damage, I can't justify that kind of money for a $5k car.

The concern I have is because of its low value if I were to sell it/trade it I cannot justify a $2000 repair. If I were to sell it in its current non running condition, what could I expect to get for it? I figure it might be worth 2k in parts and panels.

Again it's a beautiful car inside and out and it's been very dependable, I'll attach a photo.

Please share your thoughts

 

I'd find out what's actually wrong first. A no-start could be as simple as a fuel pump fuse.

 

Agreed - check fuse to fuel pump, then the fuel pump relay. Could also be a failed fuel pump.

 

When you pulled it into the garage did you start it, pull in and shut it off?
Or did you come in off the road into garage and then shut it off?
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Fuse or relay is quite likely but the other is - did you start it (whether driven or not) briefly then shut it off? Look up
bore wash
if you did. No money to fix but follow the detailed advice carefully.

Check fuses & relays first

 

Thanks all for your replies. I called my brother in law over to help with the checklist. Only fuse that was out was to the obd intake. We could hear all the components working (ie fuel pump, etc). I never have done the start stop and restart thing before I park. I've had a timing chain break on me before so I remember what that was like. I'm pretty certain that's the problem. Should hear back from the dealer today.

Would any of you pour 3-4k into a 5 thousand dollar car? Regardless of how nice it is and how much I love it, that doesn't make financial sense to me. I usually prepare myself for the worse case scenario. A timing chain is bad but doable. A valve job on this car is not. So I'm trying to get a feel for how much I can expect to get for it in it's current condition.

Thanks

 

Perhaps your values are higher in the Chicago area but here in my neck of the woods your car would be worth closer to $4,000. And no, I would not pour three to four grand into fixing it....

As others have said, I would not suspect a timing chain breakage. A fuel-related issue still makes more sense to me....

 

Can't see it being the chain that's broken. Did you check for bore wash?

If you didn't be aware that not all dealers even know about it so you could be in a lot of money pointlessly.

 

Since you have an 01 with the V8 engine, did you ever have the chain tensioners checked or replaced. You might have jumped a couple of teeth on the chain.

 

That's what I'm suspecting and hoping. I have had the tensioners checked about a year and a half ago. That would be best case scenario if there is no valve damage from trying to start it.

Thanks bro

 

Bore wash is a possibility I suppose. Waiting to hear back from the dealer. I will suggest it if he has no idea.

Thanks for your reply

 

Umm, if it is turning over I don't think it would be a timing chain issue. More likely spark or fuel.

Suggest reverting to the old shade-tree approach of getting a can of spray starter fluid from your local FLAPS (favorite local auto parts store) and try spraying into the intake while cranking the motor. If the engine is getting spark it should fire and run roughly for a bit (Fuel problem)

Also, can you remove a spark plug and see if it is wet (Spark problem)?
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That would make bore wash worse and not start the car. It can also damage the intake, rather expensively.

 

If your chain jumps a tooth, It will still turn over. Some cars will even run depending on how many teeth have jumped. Won't run nice though.

 

You may want to check Inertia Switch ( fuel cut off) ...It could have been triggered.

 

>If your chain jumps a tooth

I thought that when the chain tensioners in the 4.0 engines failed then piston met valve. But if, in some cases, the engine only lost cam timing, then you're probably correct.
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Yes, most of the time the pistons will hit the valves but if the tensioner only allowed the chain to jump one tooth you might get away with no damage.

The car will still run but badly because the timing is off. Sometimes people will describe it as their car sounds like a diesel.
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However, as I understand it his car isn't starting.

 

Good point!

We should wait until the dealer gives him a report back.
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Wow, you guys are absolutely amazing. I just gotta say this forum is invaluable.

Ford service manager gets back and confirms no compression "on right side". He hasn't dug into the car yet but that I might have to replace the engine. I tell him that any expensive work like that is out of the question I ask him about timing chain then bore wash. As a few of you said, the guy had no clue about the bore wash. I told him to google it or just come here. He's at a computer and he finds it. The tech he trusts the most was busy today and off tomorrow. So I got some time to push the quick fixes before the holiday. Tech isn't back til Tues so no expensive work takes place until he's there. He quotes me $400 if they have to dig in to the motor. I'm working over the holiday so I'm out there again Tue to tie this up.

Don't know if I'd ever buy another one of these again, but the fact this forum and you guys are here makes that decision a lot easier.


You guys rule

Thank you so very much