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Old May 20, 2020 | 04:45 AM
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I have a 1994 Jaguar xj6. This is my first Jaguar. It has 4.0 liter engine. The car needs a ton of work and I am slowly getting things done. The front passenger side window stopped working while it was down. I took the door panel off because the exterior door handle was broke when I bought the car and I thought I could do both jobs at the same time. Well, as I was taking the glass window and motor out of the door panel, two rectangle shaped plastic pieces fell out inside of the door panel. I don''t know where they came from and not sure how to put them back. In fact, I don't even know what they do so I took pictures of them and I am hoping that someone experienced could guide me and give me some info about how to put them back on and what they do.

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Old May 20, 2020 | 05:35 AM
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Sam,

I've moved your question from General Tech Help to XJ40 forum. This is the place to post technical questions about your 1994 XJ6. Members here with the same model will be able to help.

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Old May 20, 2020 | 12:42 PM
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I don't recognize those bits (size?) but they must be related to the window mechanism as that is one component I've never disturbed after removing door panels several times.

Possibly you can find them illustrated on the Jaguar parts website? Your car is classed as an xj6 classic 1987-1994 on that site

https://parts.jaguarlandroverclassic.../brand/jaguar/

Worth a look.

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Old May 20, 2020 | 04:04 PM
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I don't recognize those bits (size?) but they must be related to the window mechanism as that is one component I've never disturbed after removing door panels several times.

Possibly you can find them illustrated on the Jaguar parts website? Your car is classed as an xj6 classic 1987-1994 on that site

https://parts.jaguarlandroverclassic.../brand/jaguar/

Worth a look.

Larry
Thanks Larry.. Couldn't find it
Yes I am sure it has something to do with the window mechanism, which means that the window may not work without them.
They are about an inch long, half an inch wide and a quarter inch thick. I laid them on the seats and took these pictures.
 
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Old May 20, 2020 | 04:05 PM
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Sam,

I've moved your question from General Tech Help to XJ40 forum. This is the place to post technical questions about your 1994 XJ6. Members here with the same model will be able to help.

Graham
Thanks Graham
 
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Old May 20, 2020 | 05:55 PM
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Maybe they are a couple of things (wedges?) the PO stuck in there to keep the window up and closed?

Or why not take off the driver's side panel and have a feel around in there? Could these pieces be glued to the door skin?

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Old May 20, 2020 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawrence
Maybe they are a couple of things (wedges?) the PO stuck in there to keep the window up and closed?

Or why not take off the driver's side panel and have a feel around in there? Could these pieces be glued to the door skin?

Larry
The window worked fine. I am going to take the rear passenger side panel off anyway to replace the handle. Probably next week. Any place to order quality handles for an inexpensive price? I saw some used ones on ebay, but they are expensive for a used handle. All 3 door handles are broken on my car so this must be a weak point in these cars.
 
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Old May 20, 2020 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam1980
The window worked fine. I am going to take the rear passenger side panel off anyway to replace the handle. Probably next week. Any place to order quality handles for an inexpensive price? I saw some used ones on ebay, but they are expensive for a used handle. All 3 door handles are broken on my car so this must be a weak point in these cars.
Hi Sam,

Yes, broken exterior door handles are a common problem on the XJ40, but moreso on the earlier cars ('88-'89) than on late cars like yours. Many of us have managed to repair broken door handles. It may take a little creativity, but it is usually possible. How you execute the repair depends on where the handle is broken and the tools and materials at your disposal. If you don't find any posts on handle repair in the Jaguar Forums, search the archives and photo albums at the Jag-Lovers forum (jag-lovers.org). This was a very popular topic back in the day. Here are links to examples:

Welcome to Jag-lovers - Members Photo Viewing Page
Welcome to Jag-lovers - Members Photo Viewing Page
Welcome to Jag-lovers - Members Photo Viewing Page
Welcome to Jag-lovers - Members Photo Viewing Page
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Old May 21, 2020 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Don B
Hi Sam,

Yes, broken exterior door handles are a common problem on the XJ40, but moreso on the earlier cars ('88-'89) than on late cars like yours. Many of us have managed to repair broken door handles. It may take a little creativity, but it is usually possible. How you execute the repair depends on where the handle is broken and the tools and materials at your disposal. If you don't find any posts on handle repair in the Jaguar Forums, search the archives and photo albums at the Jag-Lovers forum (jag-lovers.org). This was a very popular topic back in the day. Here are links to examples:

Welcome to Jag-lovers - Members Photo Viewing Page
Welcome to Jag-lovers - Members Photo Viewing Page
Welcome to Jag-lovers - Members Photo Viewing Page
Welcome to Jag-lovers - Members Photo Viewing Page
Welcome to Jag-lovers - Members Photo Viewing Page

Cheers,

Don
Thanks Don... that was really helpful for repairing door handles on these cars. I am planning on working on the car this weekend and taking off all broken door handles to repair/replace them. I have repaired door handles on my Citroen back in the day when I lived in Paris and was successful. I will give it a whirl and see how it turns out.

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After you repair/replace the handles, follow the tip provided by Katar about adding a small nut to the adjusting rod in this thread. This tip will prevent breakage in the future.

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...stment-211963/

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Old May 21, 2020 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawrence
After you repair/replace the handles, follow the tip provided by Katar about adding a small nut to the adjusting rod in this thread. This tip will prevent breakage in the future.

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...stment-211963/

Larry
Thanks a bunch, Larry.
It is definitely a great tip to avoid having to adjust handles every so often.

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Old Jul 4, 2020 | 12:28 PM
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Thanks everyone!

I finally got all handles repaired and got the windows to work. I figured it all out. Learning a little bit at a time.
I don't believe these two pieces I found in the panel are original to this car. I could not find their match on all other 3 windows/doors so I put it back together like it was supposed to be and it worked fine. It must be a loose connection or something weird.

The door handles were broke in different sports. This door handle design is really poor and has so many weak points to break off from.

The first handle was broke like they normally break. I took it out and glued it to have a blue print and had to fabricate a steel handle from 1/4" mild steel. I cut the chrome handle and screwed it on top as a cover to match other handles. Not the best fix but it beats the close to 200 dollars used ones I found online. Works good. I could make it better but this is really enough.

The other two door handles are not broken, however the plastic piece that the rods connect to and moves it to release the door lock is broken. This is revitted on so I had to take everything out on the bench, grind the revits, and glued the plastic piece to have a blue print and fabricated a piece using the same 1/4" mild steel. This was relatively easy as these old handles are not so precise. They worked great and you can never tell that there is a fabricated piece inside instead of the original. The parts I fabricated look ugly but as long as the holes are lined up with the old ones, it will work. I used screws and a combination of washers, nuts to hold everything together.

I am not a machinist, not a welder, and don't have the correct tools either. I used a grinder, cutting wheel, drill, and the ordinary sockets and wrenches. Nothing fancy, but I am glad it worked out good.
The closest junk yard that has one of these cars is over 100 miles away. I thought I would rahter fabricate a steel pieces and replace the broken plastic parts instead of installing used plastic only to break on me again.

The problem happened in the first place because the door locks are somewhat frozen. After the repair I soaked everything in WD40 and now they just need a touch to open.

Thank you everyone for the help. I truly appreciate it.
 
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