First question, are there any Kyanite XFRs for sale out there? I read in the 2012 brochure that availability was limited for Kyanite, so do any 2012s have it or is it just 2010-2011?

My 06 M5 is Interlagos Blue and Kyanite is close to it, albeit a bit lighter. Silver, grey or white is a possibility too.

After going through a motor replacement at 84k early this year (luckily 3rd party warranty covered it), the M if finally running like a top, but I may still be ready to move on to something newer and more updated. Owning one of these is a love-hate relationship, and I may finally just be done. Plus my wife hates the car, but then again, snapping whiplash shifts at 8200 is kind of fun

The XFR is really the only super saloon that has caught my interest in my price range, and I was pleased to see a 4yr 50k factory warranty. However I was surprised at the curb weight. I've never sat in or driven one, and heck I hardly even see any on the road. I've been reading about the facelift and am unsure if 2011 to 2012 is worth the upcharge. The upgraded stereo and hard drive nav sounds like a nice change. Unsure about the headlights though.

There was a 2010 for sale locally but it sold last week. I was going to test drive it today but I guess I waited too long.

Appreciate any thoughts or opinions.

 

I moved from a E39 M5 (63K Miles) to a 2012 XFR and never looked back. The XFR is a totally different beast in it's own right. Not to mention the rarity of seeing one on the road.

I was in your situation and went with a 2012 over a 2011. Below are changes to the 2012 model:

• New Front Bumper/Lights/Look
• Extended Rear Tail Lights
• Two additional hard buttons for phone and navigation added to the center stack
• New color TFT display
• The navigation system is Hard Disk Drive based
• Enhanced Bluetooth® system
• 1200W Bowers & Wilkins system with Dolby® Prologic® II Surround system
• Adaptive Headlamps
• Intelligent High Beam
• Ski hatch & bag

 

E60 M5 and XFR are very different driving cars. Don't expect high rev fireworks with the Jag like you get with your E60, it's much more about torque. The torque is delivered in a linear fashion due to the supercharger, so it does mimic a naturally aspirated engine and does not give you the same sort of feeling as a turbo'd engine like the new F10 M5, either. But it is deceptively quick.

It's also a softer, more relaxed car and will not feel as hyper or alert as the M, which is better IMO in most daily driving situations. Don't think it doesn't handle, though - it has pretty decent mechanical grip and very nice adjustability with the throttle.

The transmission will also do the daily driving thing way better than the M's SMG, but at max attack again it will not feel as crisp. This is the ZF 6 speed automatic, remember, (the 8 speed ZF auto in the newest Jags IMO is easily a match for the E60's SMG at max attack).

Quality wise don't expect quite the same degree of engineering or assembly obsessiveness, but it's still reasonably well screwed together. Style is a subjective thing but I think it has way more than an M.

As to the curb weight, well I'm not sure why you are so surprised. It's not out of line with the F10 M5 or the newer AMG E's, all are now over 4000 lbs.

Get out there and test drive one, and good luck!

 

As a convert to Jag from BMW, I'll tell you I absolutely love my car and have no regrets. The only bummer has been the lack of a robust aftermarket for modification. If mods are your thing, you'll be frustrated with the lack of options for the XFs.

 

I'd go with the 12 due to upgrades. Headlights are better looking although I gought an '11 SC. The sunami in Japan may have been 2012? May have limited Kyanite paint color. Great color if you can find one.

 

I drove both before choosing the XFR-S. I personally did not find the same pleasure from the XFR and was headed towards the M5 until I got my hands on the RS.
To me the sex appeal of the Jag won it over technical ability of the BMW. The Jag gets a lot of questions where (I think) the BMW is going to blend.

Either way both cars are superb. I would drive the RS over the R and drive the BMW against it the same day over the same course. Both cars are available here in Dallas if you care

 

There is a great Top Gear segment on BMW M5 and XFR. Jeremy Clarkson drove them both - it's on YouTube. Pretty balanced overall - he's a huge M5 fan, but he loved the XFR and general view was that they really were neck and neck. On the track he had a v slight bias to the M5 - but on the roads he preferred XFR.

 

Yes I've watched that multiple times, great video.

 

That's a good summary of my thinking between the 2. I'd like to test drive one but it looks like there's hardly any for sale in Texas, much less Houston. If I want a raw and unrefined change of pace, I can always crank up the Cobra

 

I actually saw a 2011 for sale when I refreshed my Autotrader search today. About 34k miles for almost 42k. About 15 minutes later it was gone. I did get the vin and found this ebay ad.

Jaguar XF Base Sedan 4 Door | eBay

 

2012 Jaguar XFR vs. 2013 BMW M5 - European Car Magazine

 

Not trying to speak for the OP, but he is talking about an E60 M5, not the new F10 in the European car comparo. Totally different cars! As posted above, the E60 and XFR were compared by Top Gear.

With respect to the current BMW line, IMO the XFR is closer to the 550 and the XFR-S closer to the M5.

 

[QUOTE=With respect to the current BMW line, IMO the XFR is closer to the 550 and the XFR-S closer to the M5.[/QUOTE]

My brother owns a 2013 550 and we have had our share of friendly runs. He can't even come close to the XFR.

 

In what way can he not come close? Agreed, XFR is faster in a straight line than the 550. But an F10 M5 will pretty much kill an XFR in a straight line and in corners and is a considerably harder edged car when you want it to be. The XFR has a softer feel more in line with the 550 IMO. The XFR-S comes closer to the M5 than the XFR, and is a fair bit firmer than the XFR but is still a notch down from the M in outright performance.

 

Love the color with the black contrasting grille and trim. The '11 looks good too.

 

Some local XFRs
Inventory from Jaguar Plano

 

Go drive one and see what you think. It's an exotic car one of the best looking cars in the segment. The interior is much better and the sense of occasion is also better. You will find it special being behind the wheel.
As far as the weight goes, it's around 4300 pounds. I actually think it's the lightest out of the group - M5. RS7, E63 etc There is a guy on here by the name of Vic who has an F type R and also owns a F10 M5. You can always contact him for his opinion. But, I think you will love the XFR. Test drove the Jag F Type R Coupe- Pics
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/f...stions-121816/



Of course the F10 M5 will kill the XFR. Jaguar doesn't lie about their numbers like BMW, Benz and Audi do.
The F10 M5 makes between 600 and 630HP as tests have shown. E63 AMG makes 670hp only rated at 557hp.
Where Jaguar is usually within 5hp within their advertised numbers.

 

I was talking about your comparison on the XFR = 550. I didn't mention
anything about the F10 M5 which is a whole different beast. However, this article shows that the XFR can hold it's own with a few modifications.


2012 Jaguar XFR vs. 2013 BMW M5 - European Car Magazine

 

Finding an XFR to purchase, easy. Finding a Kyanite XFR, a bit more difficult. I was very lucky and happened to stumble into the dealership at just the right time (although the car was at the dealership for 5 1/2 months) to get a ridiculous deal. I look from time to time on Autotrader and the one shown in the earlier post is only the second I've seen in over a year. There was another sold in Tuscon earlier in the year.

There is an M5 like yours at one of the hospitals I visit and always liked that combo. It looks right with that color on an M5. My advice is go and drive an XFR. As many others have said, it just feels different. I haven't driven an E60 M5, but I do remember that they have a ton of hp, but very little torque in comparison. And what I've always heard about the M5's is they are more of a track setup and that the luxury is missing. The ability to just relax and chew up miles isn't there.

I would say the XFR is a luxury muscle car that actually handles well for it's size. It has an attitude, but it only comes out when you want it to. Otherwise, it's just a nice luxury car with character.