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Old Feb 17, 2018 | 01:57 PM
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The car been sitting in my garage for weeks without use until I replace the left front strut which is leaking air.

I started the car this morning and noticed a new sound. It sounds like a sticking or dry lifter. Nothing like a rod or similar. The sound was not there last two weeks ago when I started the car. The sound is there at idle only as soon as I rev the engine over 1500 RPM it disappears. The engine revs smoothly and no check engine lights have came on.

The oil level is good. I'm using Royal Purple 5W30.


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Old Feb 17, 2018 | 02:19 PM
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there are bucket shims that recess into the heads on top of the valves .
for the valve clearance adjustment . and for the cam lobes to strike .
not lifters as such , these are known to stick to the walls of the valve spring cylinder.
due to oil varnish .
mine has done this twice normally caused by too many short runs .
the first time an oil change and a long hot run fixed it , but it returned .
i found the graphite oil additive "proma MBL8" to be a permanent fix.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2018 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Datsports
there are bucket shims that recess into the heads on top of the valves .
for the valve clearance adjustment . and for the cam lobes to strike .
not lifters as such , these are known to stick to the walls of the valve spring cylinder.
due to oil varnish .
mine has done this twice normally caused by too many short runs .
the first time an oil change and a long hot run fixed it , but it returned .
i found the graphite oil additive "proma MBL8" to be a permanent fix.
Thanks for the reply. I will look into that additive.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2018 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BlacXJRcat
Thanks for the reply. I will look into that additive.
check this out , its real slippery stuff .

 
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Old Feb 17, 2018 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Datsports
check this out , its real slippery stuff .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvyOOfeqqKM
Impressive.
 
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Old Feb 17, 2018 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Datsports
there are bucket shims that recess into the heads on top of the valves .
for the valve clearance adjustment . and for the cam lobes to strike .
not lifters as such , these are known to stick to the walls of the valve spring cylinder.
due to oil varnish .
mine has done this twice normally caused by too many short runs .
the first time an oil change and a long hot run fixed it , but it returned .
i found the graphite oil additive "proma MBL8" to be a permanent fix.
Who sells this additive?
 
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Old Feb 17, 2018 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by abonano
Who sells this additive?
this is there on line store .

https://nwarburton.pro-masystems.co....083&MenuID=128

most auto shops here in NZ stock it .
also its some times available on ebay .
 
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Old Feb 18, 2018 | 02:47 PM
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Since this product has "The primary active ingredients are micro-metallic particles suspendedin the base oil." I would strongly advise BG MOA, available from most dealerships and certainly online.
 

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Old Feb 19, 2018 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Box
Since this product has "The primary active ingredients are micro-metallic particles suspendedin the base oil." I would strongly advise BG MOA, available from most dealerships and certainly online.
You strongly advise for it or against? Seems like you missed a word, "against".

I have never used this product but sounds promising. My only fear is the micro-metallic particles.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2018 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BlacXJRcat
You strongly advise for it or against? Seems like you missed a word, "against".

I have never used this product but sounds promising. My only fear is the micro-metallic particles.
See the STP thread. I use what I know has proven itself over decades of use in literally 10's of thousands of vehicles of my own knowledge, proven track records of thousands of dealers and techs. I have no experience with the MBL8 product.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2018 | 08:54 PM
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i can only speak for pro-ma as i have been using it for over 20 years my self .
with no adverse affects ,
bar one ; graphite additives makes your oil look a little dirty , even new oil .
there are thousands of positive reviews for mbl8 . and zero negative ones that i can find.
and a lot of the reviews also state over 20 years used with great results also .
that says some thing !
judging by the fact both pro-ma mbl8 and bg moa both use the same or very similar demonstration equipment , id say the products are near enough identical.

i my self watched two engines running on a stand at a show 22 years ago .
one had the mbl8 added , the other did not .
they drained both of there oil ./ and set them both to 3000rpm .
the engine without mbl8 knocked loudly almost instantly and blew up with a hole in the block in under 1 min .
the mbl8 engine went for just over 8 min then slowed and seized .
ive been using it since .
the first time i added it to the jag was the last time i've heard any valve train noise from it .im sold on the stuff . if there is an easier product to get hold of , and its basicly the same stuff , then go with that .

p.s i thought the moa was extinct .
 
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Old Feb 20, 2018 | 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Datsports
i can only speak for pro-ma as i have been using it for over 20 years my self .
with no adverse affects ,
bar one ; graphite additives makes your oil look a little dirty , even new oil .
there are thousands of positive reviews for mbl8 . and zero negative ones that i can find.
and a lot of the reviews also state over 20 years used with great results also .
that says some thing !
judging by the fact both pro-ma mbl8 and bg moa both use the same or very similar demonstration equipment , id say the products are near enough identical.

i my self watched two engines running on a stand at a show 22 years ago .
one had the mbl8 added , the other did not .
they drained both of there oil ./ and set them both to 3000rpm .
the engine without mbl8 knocked loudly almost instantly and blew up with a hole in the block in under 1 min .
the mbl8 engine went for just over 8 min then slowed and seized .
ive been using it since .
the first time i added it to the jag was the last time i've heard any valve train noise from it .im sold on the stuff . if there is an easier product to get hold of , and its basicly the same stuff , then go with that .

p.s i thought the moa was extinct .
Without a MSDS, I have nothing to compare.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2018 | 10:14 AM
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I went ahead and ordered a bottle of LubeGard Bio Tech Engine Protectant. This one does not have metal micro-particles so I feel more confident when adding to the engine. I just can't fathom the idea of having metal protecting metal.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2018 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BlacXJRcat
I went ahead and ordered a bottle of LubeGard Bio Tech Engine Protectant. This one does not have metal micro-particles so I feel more confident when adding to the engine. I just can't fathom the idea of having metal protecting metal.
I just ordered the same and put in my XJR for good measure... thanks for sharing...
 
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Old Feb 26, 2018 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by abonano
I just ordered the same and put in my XJR for good measure... thanks for sharing...
I haven't yet used it since the oil level is a tad over full. The lube place over-filled it. As soon as I'm not in agony from wisdom teeth extraction last Friday, I will dump a little oil for me to pour LubeGard.
 
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