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So, here's my problem. The Jaguar that I 'inherited' (2003 XJ8 VDP) only came with one key. As I came to find out, it's the Valet key (green head). I'm seeing a lot of info on replacements, converting a valet key into a master, programming keybobs, and all that.
Would anyone know of a 'best-practice' in this situation? I'd like to end up with a master and a working fob in the end.
So far, I've found the following for a blank master at SNG Barratt and a potential fob. Any thoughts or recommendations from the gallery?
The problem with that blank is that it has no transponder. You may want to get a used key in case the new ones are a dud, 2 keys need to be programmed, if not your car is a brick sitting on the dealer lot.
Great, thanks. I'll take a look at those.
As far as the valet key goes, that's what I've been using to start / move the vehicle around. So at least I have one functional key that I can use to get around - and I'm staying well clear of the valet button.
on keys - 8cut vs 6cut, and transponder type. I think your MY car uses 6 cut? but you can just count the cuts on your key. There's decoder instructions online, my go-to guide is a dead link now unfortunately.
The valet key can be converted to a "normal" key by grinding the tip edges a bit narrower I think, if I remember right that's the only difference.
On the fob: there's a different frequency for 98-99 and 00-03, make sure you get one that matches the frequency of your existing fob
Since you have a later model year (AJ27) car, if you're feeling crafty you can do the "switchblade" key retrofit that has an integrated fob (modifying the x350 key fobs basically). I thought I had the thread bookmarked but I can't find it now... should be a how-to somewhere in the x308 forums here.
on keys - 8cut vs 6cut, and transponder type. I think your MY car uses 6 cut? but you can just count the cuts on your key. There's decoder instructions online, my go-to guide is a dead link now unfortunately.
The valet key can be converted to a "normal" key by grinding the tip edges a bit narrower I think, if I remember right that's the only difference.
On the fob: there's a different frequency for 98-99 and 00-03, make sure you get one that matches the frequency of your existing fob
Since you have a later model year (AJ27) car, if you're feeling crafty you can do the "switchblade" key retrofit that has an integrated fob (modifying the x350 key fobs basically). I thought I had the thread bookmarked but I can't find it now... should be a how-to somewhere in the x308 forums here.
All 308s are 8-cut, 00+ is ID48 chip transponder instead of ID13
The problem with that blank is that it has no transponder.
Very good info. I believe you refer to the genuine Jag JLM1950 (https://www.sngbarratt.com/English/#...&saveBranch=US). I bought this key blank and had it cut but I have not yet tried to programme the key module to recognise this key (I have VCM/IDS). Good I didn't as now I see that it does not have a transponder chip inside its plastic head. I also just checked with the parts catalogue and see that JLM1950 is for cars without key immobiliser system so I bought the wrong blank for my car. I should have bought HNA7230AA1 which is for cars with key immobiliser system so it should have a transponder chip in it.
I see that this no-transponder chip blank JLM1950 has a small plastic plug (same as on the key with chip) which closes the hole in which the chip is sitting. Briefly tried to lever the plug out with a small screwdriver but it seems glued and wouldn't move. As I do have a chip cloned from the original key (by a locksmith), I guess that I can somehow force (or drill) the small plug out, insert the chip and plug the hole back. Did you do this kind of work on the key head, i.e. did you manage to pull that small plug out?
As I do have a chip cloned from the original key (by a locksmith), I guess that I can somehow force (or drill) the small plug out, insert the chip and plug the hole back. Did you do this kind of work on the key head, i.e. did you manage to pull that small plug out?
I just bought a key with the ID13 (98-99) chip already in it. They also sell 8-cut splittable blanks so you can put the transponder of your choice in them
...2 keys need to be programmed, if not your car is a brick sitting on the dealer lot.
A separate question:
I have only one (normal) original key and my key module is probably currently configured for two normal plus one service (vallet) keys. I have a transponder chip removed from another unknown X308 original key (same as mine but, of course, different cut). So, if I insert the chip from the unknown X308 key into my new "chipless" key (already cut to my locks), I will have two keys to do the key module re-programming with VCM/IDS. Do you think/know whether the key chip from another X308's key will be accepted during the module re-programming or do I have to buy another new key blank which comes with a new chip?
I have only one (normal) original key and my key module is probably currently configured for two normal plus one service (vallet) keys. I have a transponder chip removed from another unknown X308 original key (same as mine but, of course, different cut). So, if I insert the chip from the unknown X308 key into my new "chipless" key (already cut to my locks), I will have two keys to do the key module re-programming with VCM/IDS. Do you think/know whether the key chip from another X308's key will be accepted during the module re-programming or do I have to buy another new key blank which comes with a new chip?
Yes. I bought a used key and used it as insurance. You need to know what car it came out of though, the 98-99 and 00+ are not interchangeable.
Yes. I bought a used key and used it as insurance. You need to know what car it came out of though, the 98-99 and 00+ are not interchangeable.
Yes, I understand that this is due to different type of transponder chips inside them. The chip I have is from a used key which came as a match to a used key module (LNC2665AA) that I bought for spare. The module is dated Sep 1998 and my Jag is 1999 so the used chip should be of the same type as what is in my original key. I see that the parts catalogue shows two different key modules, early and later (up to F00102 and from F00103), but shows only one part number for the chipped key blank (HNA7230AA1) with no mention of "up to VIN xxxxxx" and "from VIN xxxxxx".
With regard to the module programming to accept another key (chip), I read somewhere that, if there are already at least two keys programmed to the car with the VCM/IDS, you do not need to use it when adding another key but that there is some simple method like you keep the key to be added near the ignition lock while having one of the original keys inside the lock and then you do something with the two keys (I cannot remember exactly what) and the additional key gets recognised by the key module. Is this correct for 98-99 Jags, or is it possible only on later models, or is it a completely wrong information?
you do not need to use it when adding another key but that there is some simple method like you keep the key to be added near the ignition lock while having one of the original keys inside the lock and then you do something with the two keys (I cannot remember exactly what) and the additional key gets recognised by the key module. Is this correct for 98-99 Jags, or is it possible only on later models, or is it a completely wrong information?
that’s a ford trick, it only works on the original pre-02.5 s-type
that’s a ford trick, it only works on the original pre-02.5 s-type
Thanks. Some further info by "Motorcarman" on programming of the key module I just found - you don't need to have at least two keys to do the programming (with VCM/IDS), seems that it can be done with only one key (of course, only that key will then work).
Just finished moving of the chip from the used key to my new "chipless" key.
The new key (JLM1950) has the same plastic plug at the top of its head as the chipped keys except that there is no chip inside, just empty space. I drilled a 1.2 mm hole through the centre of the plug and screwed-in a suitable self tapping screw but the plug would not move (glued) even with quite a bit of pulling force. Then I just drilled through the plug with a 3.2 mm drill bit as the chip has 3.06 mm diameter (and is 13.5 mm ling). The total depth of the hole in the key head is 27 mm and the plug is 13 mm long. So, I drilled down for 13 mm and the drill bit entered the chip cavity.
As you can see on the pic, the angle of the chip hole (and the angle of drilling) is not parallel with the key shank but about parallel with the side of the plastic head. I new this by looking at the hole that I exposed by cutting the head of the used key. Care should be taken not do allow the drill bit to go deeper than 1" as it may deepen the chip cavity or even come out at the other side. Also found a suitable plastic plug to neatly plug the hole after chip insertion.
This is how I removed the chip from the used key (once I split the head apart, I cold prize the plastic plug out):
Well, this what you can do if you, like me, buy the wrong key blank. The positive side is that JLM1950 is about half the price of a chipped key blank HNA7230AA1.
Now just to do the key module re-programming to include this beautiful new key.
I had SONE (a member here) make a few keys for my 2000 XJ8 from the TIBBE key code I sent him and I configured the keys to my car with IDS.
The KEY CODE cuts can be sent to him if he is still cutting keys.
I can configure your keys to your car if you are in the WISE COUNTY area of Texas.
I have several WDS and several IDS diagnostic units.
Well, I'm in Parker County (Aledo), so we're almost neighbors. Once I get all of my bits and pieces in a row (and cut), I'll reach out and see if you're available to do some programming magic. Thanks!
I had SONE (a member here) make a few keys for my 2000 XJ8 from the TIBBE key code I sent him and I configured the keys to my car with IDS.
The KEY CODE cuts can be sent to him if he is still cutting keys.
I can configure your keys to your car if you are in the WISE COUNTY area of Texas.
I have several WDS and several IDS diagnostic units.
Motorcarman, Can you point me to some info about IDS for my Jag please? (2002 S-Type 4.0) I am having no end of trouble getting someone to program a new key & fob for my car.
I have found 1 mobile locksmith who will program a sep Key & Fob, but says I cannot have a flip unit to suit my car (Other people on this forum have successfully done it though) Another Guy says he can program the transponder & Fob in a flip if I buy a particular one off Amazon for $XX & then have it cut elsewhere as he cant cut Tibbe keys. I am getting no response from the local Jag dealership, I keep ringing to speak to someone, they're busy so promise a call back & I never get one. I now want to invest in some gear & do it all myself!!
TIA.
I think the early X200 uses a different RFID transponder than the later X202 with the 'flip-key' so that is probably the issue the locksmith is talking about.
The keyfob transmitter is also different so the 'flip-key' fob can't be configured to the early X200. (a common FORD transmitter can be used for the X200)
I think the early X200 uses a different RFID transponder than the later X202 with the 'flip-key' so that is probably the issue the locksmith is talking about.
The keyfob transmitter is also different so the 'flip-key' fob can't be configured to the early X200. (a common FORD transmitter can be used for the X200)
If the Ford Fob can be used for my X200, then surely I could use the Ford (Transit Van?) Flip key cut to suit the Jag & the end ground down to suit. Maybe?? I believe the Transponder is the same as the Ford one, so that part of the Flip should work, & the Fob for the Transit is the same as the X200 Jag (I pulled one apart & compared to my Jag one; same Part numbers, etc.) then the theoretically the Transit 3 Buttlon Flip should be perfect for the Jag.
I just need someone who can program Transponder & Fob to the car. For some reason I cant get the Car into program mode via Ignition switching or Headlight flashing etc.
Replacement Keys and Keyless Entry Fobs
