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Old 02-10-2018, 10:15 AM
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Looking at Fig. 7.1 in the S57 wiring diagrams, can someone tell me why I cannot interpret this. Normally I'm pretty good with wiring diagrams, but this one has me licked!

The following is my (limited) understanding of it:

Assuming hazard is set to "off" in the diagram.

Power leaves the Haz. Sw. at LGK and connects at term. 49 of the flasher.

After that I'm completely lost! Help.
 
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Old 02-10-2018, 01:42 PM
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Heh heh. You're not alone. My understanding of it is fleeting and tenuous...sorta like a math concept that you're on the cusp of grasping but can't quite reach the "Ahhhh...HA" moment

This might help

Signals, turn and hazard

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Old 02-10-2018, 01:43 PM
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Later on I'll have another look; maybe something will hit me after all these years

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Old 02-10-2018, 03:39 PM
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there is an error in the the diagram published by Jaguar.

it was discovered by another owner in the 1990s. I have the revised schematic, will post it here lnext few days.
 
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Originally Posted by Jose
there is an error in the the diagram published by Jaguar.

it was discovered by another owner in the 1990s. I have the revised schematic, will post it here lnext few days.
Does the error involve the diodes? Specifically, the direction of the diodes?

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Old 02-10-2018, 03:55 PM
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no, it involves the Hazard Switch wiring.
 
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Old 02-10-2018, 04:02 PM
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Doug, do you have a link for the Boot Lock Solenoid thread? Can't find it in the Search.
 
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Originally Posted by Jose
Doug, do you have a link for the Boot Lock Solenoid thread? Can't find it in the Search.
Heh heh, it was buried in another thread

I'll find it!

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Old 02-10-2018, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Jose
no, it involves the Hazard Switch wiring.
Yeah, that rings a vague bell.

It caused a lot of problems when people went to replace the hazard switch

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Old 02-10-2018, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Jose
Doug, do you have a link for the Boot Lock Solenoid thread? Can't find it in the Search.

It's toward the end of this thread:

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...-174395/page4/

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Old 02-10-2018, 05:01 PM
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no worry, just that I wanted to add the following:

I have a Ford door Lock / Unlock solenoid per the pictures below. Very similar to the XJ solenoid, and it only has 2 contacts. (Ground and Hot I assume).

So how can the Ford solenoid do it with two contacts??
 
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Perhaps it's spring loaded to the "locked"position (relaxed state). Then the single hot contact could be used to "unlock" only.

Or, the unit is chassis grounded and one hot contact locks and the other hot one unlocks?

Just my 2 Canadian cents. I was not even aware that my S3 had a boot lock solenoid!
 
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Old 02-11-2018, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by iramphal
Perhaps it's spring loaded to the "locked"position (relaxed state). Then the single hot contact could be used to "unlock" only.

Or, the unit is chassis grounded and one hot contact locks and the other hot one unlocks?

Both plausible.

Or, an upstream control module reverses polarity on the two terminals to reverse direction


Just my 2 Canadian cents. I was not even aware that my S3 had a boot lock solenoid!
Now you know !

It's 'lock only' unless modified.

There were 3 variations of electric locking on the Series III....but we're getting way off-topic!

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Old 02-11-2018, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by iramphal
Perhaps it's spring loaded to the "locked"position (relaxed state). Then the single hot contact could be used to "unlock" only.
Or, the unit is chassis grounded and one hot contact locks and the other hot one unlocks? Just my 2 Canadian cents. I was not even aware that my S3 had a boot lock solenoid!
I would go with the 2nd one, two hots, body grounded. My Ford has a LOCK pushbutton, and a UNLOCK pushbutton, but the solenoid has only two contacts.

But yes, this is off topic, sorry.

Below is the Topic resolution hopefully.
 
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Old 02-11-2018, 04:08 PM
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Follow the 1 thru 4 diagrams and you will see the error from Number 1 (original published diagram), and Number 4 (showing the difference). This was from the 1990s at Jag Lovers.

The last Text file is an explanation of the diagrams written by the Jag Lovers member.
 
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Here's another diagram (correct?). There are some differences between the two - wire color anyway.
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Old 02-15-2018, 05:33 PM
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I think the whole problem is at the Hazard Switch wiring. If you can use the Turn signals with ignition switch OFF, the battery power wire is in the wrong connector. It should only power the Hazard Switch from the battery, ignition switch OFF.
 
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