Has anyone ever considered fitting Re-mould Tyres to their XJS
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04-15-2016, 01:17 PM
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04-15-2016, 01:41 PM
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orangeblossom (04-15-2016)
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04-15-2016, 02:20 PM
The tread rubber may be new, but how old is the rubber in the carcass that it was put on? Could be very old, and affected by ozone. I'm having to replace some tires now as I write this, with lots of tread left, because the rubber in the carcass is separating from the belts, age related.
You also don't know if the previous owner kept his tires inflated properly, which also affects the carcass.
Trucks do retreads, but they put a lot of miles on in a hurry, so the carcass isn't that old.
You also don't know if the previous owner kept his tires inflated properly, which also affects the carcass.
Trucks do retreads, but they put a lot of miles on in a hurry, so the carcass isn't that old.
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orangeblossom (04-15-2016)
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04-15-2016, 02:26 PM
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OB,
When it comes to cars, I'm not sure that remoulds are ever a cost-effective option any more. 35 years ago, we had two options - expensive new tyres or remoulds. Nowadays, the market has developed such that we have Premium manufacturer new tyres, Mid-market manufacturer new tyres and Budget manufacturer new tyres.
So arguably there is a new tyre option for every budget, and remoulds aren't an appropriate option. But. as always, that's just my view!
Paul
When it comes to cars, I'm not sure that remoulds are ever a cost-effective option any more. 35 years ago, we had two options - expensive new tyres or remoulds. Nowadays, the market has developed such that we have Premium manufacturer new tyres, Mid-market manufacturer new tyres and Budget manufacturer new tyres.
So arguably there is a new tyre option for every budget, and remoulds aren't an appropriate option. But. as always, that's just my view!
Paul
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orangeblossom (04-15-2016)
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04-15-2016, 02:47 PM
OB,
When it comes to cars, I'm not sure that remoulds are ever a cost-effective option any more. 35 years ago, we had two options - expensive new tyres or remoulds. Nowadays, the market has developed such that we have Premium manufacturer new tyres, Mid-market manufacturer new tyres and Budget manufacturer new tyres.
So arguably there is a new tyre option for every budget, and remoulds aren't an appropriate option. But. as always, that's just my view!
Paul
When it comes to cars, I'm not sure that remoulds are ever a cost-effective option any more. 35 years ago, we had two options - expensive new tyres or remoulds. Nowadays, the market has developed such that we have Premium manufacturer new tyres, Mid-market manufacturer new tyres and Budget manufacturer new tyres.
So arguably there is a new tyre option for every budget, and remoulds aren't an appropriate option. But. as always, that's just my view!
Paul
Makes a lot of Sense and never really looked at it, in that way before.
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04-15-2016, 02:50 PM
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its strange
a remanufactured ABS unit is desirable because its cheap , a remanufactured gearbox, the same etc , all critical or safety items.....
a ' remould ' or remanufactured tyre is frowned upon , the stringent rules applied to remanufactured tyres and the quality control means they are ' as good as new ' and they also help the environment , a high quality carcass from a top manufacturer with a newly moulded tread on it ( exactly as the original tyre was made ) can be far better than some budget tyre that only just scrapes a BS number , not withstanding cheap import tyres
in the haulage industry , remanufactured tyres are the norm
however
on a ' performance ' vehicle is it a safety or budget choice, and would they provide tyres that fit our cars as remanufactured anyway
again , just my thoughts, as others have
BB
a remanufactured ABS unit is desirable because its cheap , a remanufactured gearbox, the same etc , all critical or safety items.....
a ' remould ' or remanufactured tyre is frowned upon , the stringent rules applied to remanufactured tyres and the quality control means they are ' as good as new ' and they also help the environment , a high quality carcass from a top manufacturer with a newly moulded tread on it ( exactly as the original tyre was made ) can be far better than some budget tyre that only just scrapes a BS number , not withstanding cheap import tyres
in the haulage industry , remanufactured tyres are the norm
however
on a ' performance ' vehicle is it a safety or budget choice, and would they provide tyres that fit our cars as remanufactured anyway
again , just my thoughts, as others have
BB
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04-15-2016, 02:52 PM
The tread rubber may be new, but how old is the rubber in the carcass that it was put on? Could be very old, and affected by ozone. I'm having to replace some tires now as I write this, with lots of tread left, because the rubber in the carcass is separating from the belts, age related.
You also don't know if the previous owner kept his tires inflated properly, which also affects the carcass.
Trucks do retreads, but they put a lot of miles on in a hurry, so the carcass isn't that old.
You also don't know if the previous owner kept his tires inflated properly, which also affects the carcass.
Trucks do retreads, but they put a lot of miles on in a hurry, so the carcass isn't that old.
This was a Tyre that I bought for my Merc and it is lasting every bit as long as the other Three New Ones.
But as for putting one on a Jag, especially something like an XJS, I'm really not that sure I'd want to risk it.
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04-15-2016, 03:00 PM
its strange
a remanufactured ABS unit is desirable because its cheap , a remanufactured gearbox, the same etc , all critical or safety items.....
a ' remould ' or remanufactured tyre is frowned upon , the stringent rules applied to remanufactured tyres and the quality control means they are ' as good as new ' and they also help the environment , a high quality carcass from a top manufacturer with a newly moulded tread on it ( exactly as the original tyre was made ) can be far better than some budget tyre that only just scrapes a BS number , not withstanding cheap import tyres
in the haulage industry , remanufactured tyres are the norm
however
on a ' performance ' vehicle is it a safety or budget choice, and would they provide tyres that fit our cars as remanufactured anyway
again , just my thoughts, as others have
BB
a remanufactured ABS unit is desirable because its cheap , a remanufactured gearbox, the same etc , all critical or safety items.....
a ' remould ' or remanufactured tyre is frowned upon , the stringent rules applied to remanufactured tyres and the quality control means they are ' as good as new ' and they also help the environment , a high quality carcass from a top manufacturer with a newly moulded tread on it ( exactly as the original tyre was made ) can be far better than some budget tyre that only just scrapes a BS number , not withstanding cheap import tyres
in the haulage industry , remanufactured tyres are the norm
however
on a ' performance ' vehicle is it a safety or budget choice, and would they provide tyres that fit our cars as remanufactured anyway
again , just my thoughts, as others have
BB
That would be a Tough decision to make, I've got a Re-mould on my Merc which I accidentally bought, when I thought I was getting a New One.
And its every bit as hard wearing, as the other Three New ones but the Merc feels like driving a Tractor compared to the XJS.
So on a high performance Car, it wouldn't be my first option.
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04-15-2016, 03:01 PM
The tread rubber may be new, but how old is the rubber in the carcass that it was put on? Could be very old, and affected by ozone. I'm having to replace some tires now as I write this, with lots of tread left, because the rubber in the carcass is separating from the belts, age related.
You also don't know if the previous owner kept his tires inflated properly, which also affects the carcass.
Trucks do retreads, but they put a lot of miles on in a hurry, so the carcass isn't that old.
You also don't know if the previous owner kept his tires inflated properly, which also affects the carcass.
Trucks do retreads, but they put a lot of miles on in a hurry, so the carcass isn't that old.
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04-15-2016, 03:04 PM
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04-15-2016, 04:35 PM
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its strange
a remanufactured ABS unit is desirable because its cheap , a remanufactured gearbox, the same etc , all critical or safety items.....
a ' remould ' or remanufactured tyre is frowned upon , the stringent rules applied to remanufactured tyres and the quality control means they are ' as good as new ' and they also help the environment , a high quality carcass from a top manufacturer with a newly moulded tread on it ( exactly as the original tyre was made ) can be far better than some budget tyre that only just scrapes a BS number , not withstanding cheap import tyres
in the haulage industry , remanufactured tyres are the norm
however
on a ' performance ' vehicle is it a safety or budget choice, and would they provide tyres that fit our cars as remanufactured anyway
again , just my thoughts, as others have
BB
a remanufactured ABS unit is desirable because its cheap , a remanufactured gearbox, the same etc , all critical or safety items.....
a ' remould ' or remanufactured tyre is frowned upon , the stringent rules applied to remanufactured tyres and the quality control means they are ' as good as new ' and they also help the environment , a high quality carcass from a top manufacturer with a newly moulded tread on it ( exactly as the original tyre was made ) can be far better than some budget tyre that only just scrapes a BS number , not withstanding cheap import tyres
in the haulage industry , remanufactured tyres are the norm
however
on a ' performance ' vehicle is it a safety or budget choice, and would they provide tyres that fit our cars as remanufactured anyway
again , just my thoughts, as others have
BB
That's a bad analogy. A remanned master cylinder is an old master cylinder with new seals and maybe internals if it were really necessary. Is the metal still the same? Yeah, but that isn't a wear item you are concerned with in master cylinders.
A remanned tire has new treads, but the sidewall is still old and dried out, so it isn't "as good as new."
If an ABS unit had the valves replaced, that is fine, they are new and now the unit is as good as new, the metal casing the modulator is made of isn't really going to wear, so it is fine that it is "partially old." This is not the case with tires, every bit of the rubber inside and out oxidizes and wears, new tread isn't the only reason for new tires.
As someone else said, tires can be had pretty cheap, so it isn't necessary. The stock tire size is 215, which is not an expensive tire. Decent tires can be had for less than $100 a piece, so whats the point in remans?
I do like reman tires for offroading, because good tires can cost $300 a piece, which sucks when they are bad for on pavement use. It's nice to get cheap offroad tires that have cores re-used from those $300 tires, where it isn't as big of a deal that they aren't perfect, because their max speed when they are in use is maybe 10mph. Yeah the sidewall matters a lot in offroading, but if I bust one im out $90 instead of $300.
On my daily driver that regularly goes over 60mph where new tires cost $80 a piece, I have no desire to put remoulds on my XJS.
This also works on big rig tires because the miles big rigs do, they run out of tread much quicker than a normal tire, so its not like the sidewall or interior is really oxidized yet.
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04-15-2016, 04:39 PM
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I also hold the view that saving a bit of cash on items such tyres and brakes and suspension can often comprise safety, particularly on cars like XJS with 150mph potential.
Compared to my last vehicle which used to get through a set of four tyres costing £2,400 every 8000 miles even premium quality tyres for the XJS are relatively affordable
Compared to my last vehicle which used to get through a set of four tyres costing £2,400 every 8000 miles even premium quality tyres for the XJS are relatively affordable
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04-15-2016, 05:13 PM
I also hold the view that saving a bit of cash on items such tyres and brakes and suspension can often comprise safety, particularly on cars like XJS with 150mph potential.
Compared to my last vehicle which used to get through a set of four tyres costing £2,400 every 8000 miles even premium quality tyres for the XJS are relatively affordable
Compared to my last vehicle which used to get through a set of four tyres costing £2,400 every 8000 miles even premium quality tyres for the XJS are relatively affordable
Better to be Safe than Sorry on that kind of Car, so I guess New Tyres are really the only way to go.
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04-16-2016, 12:54 AM
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Not an option here in Aus, it's illegal to use tyres with a lower speed rating than was supplied with the car. Your insurance will void in an accident.
Also how many de-laminated truck tyres do you see by the road side, I know between Sydney and Melbourne ( a trip I do every month) lots.
I would be looking at some of the tyres coming out of Asia, these are very cheap for what you get. It was only a few years ago that Kumho was at the cheap end of the market, now they have a name (in Australia at least) they are up there with Bridgestone in pricing.
The other thing I found was the OEM size 215 65 15 (in Aus) was hard to get in V rating and it turned out cheaper to replace wheels and tyres with ones more readily available.
Also how many de-laminated truck tyres do you see by the road side, I know between Sydney and Melbourne ( a trip I do every month) lots.
I would be looking at some of the tyres coming out of Asia, these are very cheap for what you get. It was only a few years ago that Kumho was at the cheap end of the market, now they have a name (in Australia at least) they are up there with Bridgestone in pricing.
The other thing I found was the OEM size 215 65 15 (in Aus) was hard to get in V rating and it turned out cheaper to replace wheels and tyres with ones more readily available.
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04-16-2016, 03:07 AM
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04-16-2016, 11:18 PM
I didn't know retreads were even available for regular auto tires, never have seen them advertised.
I do know that they were, when I was still driving them, in common use on big trucks and especially their trailers (probably still are). In my personal experience, bought a semi tractor that came with 8 pretty recent, ie about full tread remaining, retreads on the drive axles, had 3 or 4 blowouts within 6 months or so. I replaced them after that with 8 new tires, no more problems.
The retreading companies back then claimed that their treads were no more prone to separating than new tires, and that was probably true under some circumstances, such as at low temps when testing them. I think the problems arose because the body of the tire already had 100,000+ miles (talking about truck tires), if it was on it's first recap, and who knows what abuse it had taken already or what it had run over in it's earlier lives. My theory was that if there was some damage to the belts they would rub as the tire flexed and build up heat, eventually causing the tire to fail (even worse on the drive axles imo as the torque of pulling the truck would cause even more heat, as opposed to just rolling like the trailer tires). Just my opinions, based only on my personal experience plus hearsay, not hard facts.
I do know that retreads weren't allowed on the steering axle of trucks or busses back then, so evidently the government also had some reservations about their reliability.
I wouldn't put them on anything I was driving all the time.
I do know that they were, when I was still driving them, in common use on big trucks and especially their trailers (probably still are). In my personal experience, bought a semi tractor that came with 8 pretty recent, ie about full tread remaining, retreads on the drive axles, had 3 or 4 blowouts within 6 months or so. I replaced them after that with 8 new tires, no more problems.
The retreading companies back then claimed that their treads were no more prone to separating than new tires, and that was probably true under some circumstances, such as at low temps when testing them. I think the problems arose because the body of the tire already had 100,000+ miles (talking about truck tires), if it was on it's first recap, and who knows what abuse it had taken already or what it had run over in it's earlier lives. My theory was that if there was some damage to the belts they would rub as the tire flexed and build up heat, eventually causing the tire to fail (even worse on the drive axles imo as the torque of pulling the truck would cause even more heat, as opposed to just rolling like the trailer tires). Just my opinions, based only on my personal experience plus hearsay, not hard facts.
I do know that retreads weren't allowed on the steering axle of trucks or busses back then, so evidently the government also had some reservations about their reliability.
I wouldn't put them on anything I was driving all the time.
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04-17-2016, 05:55 AM
I wouldn't use Re-Moulds either but I bought what I thought were 4 Brand New Tyres for my Merc and one of them turned out to be a Re-Mould (from an Auction Site)
But how did I know?
Well at first I didn't know but after a few weeks, while I was re-blacking the Tyres with 'Shoe Polish' Don't knock it till you've tried it Lol!
I noticed a bit of an edge bead round the Tyre, at which point I did more research and found that it was stamped with an 'e' which is apparently the approved mark for a Re-Mould.
Obviously I wasn't happy and felt that I'd been 'Stitched Up' but too much time had passed to send it back and for the sake of £35 it wasn't worth the hassle.
As for my XJS, well that's a different story! as I'm not prepared to Play Russian Roulette with a high performance Car.
So Two Years ago, 4 Brand New Lattice Alloys which I managed to pick up at a Bargain Price.
And 4 Brand New Pirelli Tyres to go on them £150 each! inc. New Valves, which incidentally, most garages/shops will fit free just for asking.
The ones I took off still have plenty of Tread, which I keep under the Kitchen Table 'Like you do'
but having bought the Brand New Rims, I felt they deserved Brand New Tyres which I got from a proper Tyre outlet.
See Photo of the Wheels and Tyres I took off:
But how did I know?
Well at first I didn't know but after a few weeks, while I was re-blacking the Tyres with 'Shoe Polish' Don't knock it till you've tried it Lol!
I noticed a bit of an edge bead round the Tyre, at which point I did more research and found that it was stamped with an 'e' which is apparently the approved mark for a Re-Mould.
Obviously I wasn't happy and felt that I'd been 'Stitched Up' but too much time had passed to send it back and for the sake of £35 it wasn't worth the hassle.
As for my XJS, well that's a different story! as I'm not prepared to Play Russian Roulette with a high performance Car.
So Two Years ago, 4 Brand New Lattice Alloys which I managed to pick up at a Bargain Price.
And 4 Brand New Pirelli Tyres to go on them £150 each! inc. New Valves, which incidentally, most garages/shops will fit free just for asking.
The ones I took off still have plenty of Tread, which I keep under the Kitchen Table 'Like you do'
but having bought the Brand New Rims, I felt they deserved Brand New Tyres which I got from a proper Tyre outlet.
See Photo of the Wheels and Tyres I took off:
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Yeah, my thoughts are along Eaa''s. I've always referred to them as recaps. Once, quite popular. and quality ranged from "something less than poor" to quite good.
1. Ina but 1951, I worked at a "full service" gas station. The boss
latched on to a batch of "recaps" on consignment. Sold for two bucks mounted, plus tube if needed. Full warranty on any blow outs. Replaced with the same. They were "lousy". Rejected by Mexico for import there. Some even had "patched" carcasses. Young soldiers with limited incomes were most of ur customers. Sold a bunch. Most came off OK. No one hurt! Why????
Before that, I bought a pair of "decent" quality caps. No blow outs,
but soft rubber treads wore quickly....
Much later, a pair of "wide caps" for my pickup. A qualified tire guy
called them junk. Cap the wrong size for the carcass. Balance
impossible. Put them astern and wore them off.
Last I heard, truckers used caps on the rear axles, but new only on the front steering axle.
The freeways seem to always have a thrown cap or more. Passenger
car or truck. I suspect low inflation pressure plus heat caused most.
For me, no caps, other options available.
No insurance issues here for tire choices. It would defeat an unintended purpose.....
Carl
1. Ina but 1951, I worked at a "full service" gas station. The boss
latched on to a batch of "recaps" on consignment. Sold for two bucks mounted, plus tube if needed. Full warranty on any blow outs. Replaced with the same. They were "lousy". Rejected by Mexico for import there. Some even had "patched" carcasses. Young soldiers with limited incomes were most of ur customers. Sold a bunch. Most came off OK. No one hurt! Why????
Before that, I bought a pair of "decent" quality caps. No blow outs,
but soft rubber treads wore quickly....
Much later, a pair of "wide caps" for my pickup. A qualified tire guy
called them junk. Cap the wrong size for the carcass. Balance
impossible. Put them astern and wore them off.
Last I heard, truckers used caps on the rear axles, but new only on the front steering axle.
The freeways seem to always have a thrown cap or more. Passenger
car or truck. I suspect low inflation pressure plus heat caused most.
For me, no caps, other options available.
No insurance issues here for tire choices. It would defeat an unintended purpose.....
Carl
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04-17-2016, 11:03 AM
Yeah, my thoughts are along Eaa''s. I've always referred to them as recaps. Once, quite popular. and quality ranged from "something less than poor" to quite good.
1. Ina but 1951, I worked at a "full service" gas station. The boss
latched on to a batch of "recaps" on consignment. Sold for two bucks mounted, plus tube if needed. Full warranty on any blow outs. Replaced with the same. They were "lousy". Rejected by Mexico for import there. Some even had "patched" carcasses. Young soldiers with limited incomes were most of ur customers. Sold a bunch. Most came off OK. No one hurt! Why????
Before that, I bought a pair of "decent" quality caps. No blow outs,
but soft rubber treads wore quickly....
Much later, a pair of "wide caps" for my pickup. A qualified tire guy
called them junk. Cap the wrong size for the carcass. Balance
impossible. Put them astern and wore them off.
Last I heard, truckers used caps on the rear axles, but new only on the front steering axle.
The freeways seem to always have a thrown cap or more. Passenger
car or truck. I suspect low inflation pressure plus heat caused most.
For me, no caps, other options available.
No insurance issues here for tire choices. It would defeat an unintended purpose.....
Carl
1. Ina but 1951, I worked at a "full service" gas station. The boss
latched on to a batch of "recaps" on consignment. Sold for two bucks mounted, plus tube if needed. Full warranty on any blow outs. Replaced with the same. They were "lousy". Rejected by Mexico for import there. Some even had "patched" carcasses. Young soldiers with limited incomes were most of ur customers. Sold a bunch. Most came off OK. No one hurt! Why????
Before that, I bought a pair of "decent" quality caps. No blow outs,
but soft rubber treads wore quickly....
Much later, a pair of "wide caps" for my pickup. A qualified tire guy
called them junk. Cap the wrong size for the carcass. Balance
impossible. Put them astern and wore them off.
Last I heard, truckers used caps on the rear axles, but new only on the front steering axle.
The freeways seem to always have a thrown cap or more. Passenger
car or truck. I suspect low inflation pressure plus heat caused most.
For me, no caps, other options available.
No insurance issues here for tire choices. It would defeat an unintended purpose.....
Carl
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04-17-2016, 11:23 AM
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Also, OB, there are pretty decent budget brand new tyres these days. I cannot afford Pirellis any more, so I have either bought top quality tyres such as Bridgestones on special offer (eg, over here, in the winter) or, as now, I have Kumhos all round. 80 quid a copy fitted; grip/wet performance just as good as the Pirellis, noise/ride not bad - not quite as good especially when cold, but the ride gets more noticeably more supple up as they warm up. So honestly, not a bad price for a new decent, V rated tyre.
Greg