Buying a 2013 XKRS
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Buying a 2013 XKRS
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I am new to the forum and been scoping out the XKRS for about a year now. The prices of the XKRS seem to have leveled off. The one I am looking at is a single owner XKRS with 40K miles on it and the asking is $44.9K USD. I have requested the service log and looked at the carfax. Looks like regular MX was done. Anything in particular i should be looking out for? Also... I live in Colorado and the car is in Florida so I have to get it shipped. Biggest concern is that I cannot test drive it or have a private party inspection so most of my due diligence will be done over the phone. It will be my first purchase that requires shipping. I appreciate any help!
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Andrew
I am new to the forum and been scoping out the XKRS for about a year now. The prices of the XKRS seem to have leveled off. The one I am looking at is a single owner XKRS with 40K miles on it and the asking is $44.9K USD. I have requested the service log and looked at the carfax. Looks like regular MX was done. Anything in particular i should be looking out for? Also... I live in Colorado and the car is in Florida so I have to get it shipped. Biggest concern is that I cannot test drive it or have a private party inspection so most of my due diligence will be done over the phone. It will be my first purchase that requires shipping. I appreciate any help!
Thanks,
Andrew
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Andrew,
I recommend that you tell the seller after you reach a tentative price that the deal is contingent on a Pre Purchase Inspection at your expense that is done by a local Jaguar dealer. If the seller objects, run - don't walk - away. He has something to hide.
If he agrees, tell him that you will make the arrangements with that Jaguar dealer and will ask them to pick up the car and deliver it back to the seller after they complete the PPI. Note that the PPI is between you and the Jaguar dealer, and the seller has no right to see it unless you want to share it with him. Tell that to the dealer and ask him to do the PPI to the Jaguar Certified Pre-Owned checklist standards. Ask him to email the completed PPI Report, including the CPO Checklist and a detailed estimate of the cost of parts and labor for each item they found to be in need of repairs. You can use those costs to negotiate a lower price from the seller. If you don't already have a carrier to transport that XKR-S, ask the dealer for recommendations.
Note that the Jaguar dealer's PPI won't inspect for any paint or bodywork or other collision repairs. For that you'll need another PPI from a body shop qualified by Jaguar to do aluminum repairs. As an alternative, you can ask the seller to give you a statement in writing that during the time of his ownership there has been no paint, bodywork, or collision damage repairs. That will give you recourse against the seller if he lied to you.
Never rely on CarFax to buy a car because they report only that which is reported to them and not everything gets reported. But you can rely on CarFax to NOT buy a car if you see something that raises a red flag.
Only you can do your due diligence. You'll be buying an XKR-S as-is, where-is, with no guarantees. Don't buy a pig in a poke; remember that a pig with lipstick is still a pig. Be a smart long-distance buyer and Good Luck!
Stuart
I recommend that you tell the seller after you reach a tentative price that the deal is contingent on a Pre Purchase Inspection at your expense that is done by a local Jaguar dealer. If the seller objects, run - don't walk - away. He has something to hide.
If he agrees, tell him that you will make the arrangements with that Jaguar dealer and will ask them to pick up the car and deliver it back to the seller after they complete the PPI. Note that the PPI is between you and the Jaguar dealer, and the seller has no right to see it unless you want to share it with him. Tell that to the dealer and ask him to do the PPI to the Jaguar Certified Pre-Owned checklist standards. Ask him to email the completed PPI Report, including the CPO Checklist and a detailed estimate of the cost of parts and labor for each item they found to be in need of repairs. You can use those costs to negotiate a lower price from the seller. If you don't already have a carrier to transport that XKR-S, ask the dealer for recommendations.
Note that the Jaguar dealer's PPI won't inspect for any paint or bodywork or other collision repairs. For that you'll need another PPI from a body shop qualified by Jaguar to do aluminum repairs. As an alternative, you can ask the seller to give you a statement in writing that during the time of his ownership there has been no paint, bodywork, or collision damage repairs. That will give you recourse against the seller if he lied to you.
Never rely on CarFax to buy a car because they report only that which is reported to them and not everything gets reported. But you can rely on CarFax to NOT buy a car if you see something that raises a red flag.
Only you can do your due diligence. You'll be buying an XKR-S as-is, where-is, with no guarantees. Don't buy a pig in a poke; remember that a pig with lipstick is still a pig. Be a smart long-distance buyer and Good Luck!
Stuart
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Andrew,
I recommend that you tell the seller after you reach a tentative price that the deal is contingent on a Pre Purchase Inspection at your expense that is done by a local Jaguar dealer. If the seller objects, run - don't walk - away. He has something to hide.
If he agrees, tell him that you will make the arrangements with that Jaguar dealer and will ask them to pick up the car and deliver it back to the seller after they complete the PPI. Note that the PPI is between you and the Jaguar dealer, and the seller has no right to see it unless you want to share it with him. Tell that to the dealer and ask him to do the PPI to the Jaguar Certified Pre-Owned checklist standards. Ask him to email the completed PPI Report, including the CPO Checklist and a detailed estimate of the cost of parts and labor for each item they found to be in need of repairs. You can use those costs to negotiate a lower price from the seller. If you don't already have a carrier to transport that XKR-S, ask the dealer for recommendations.
Note that the Jaguar dealer's PPI won't inspect for any paint or bodywork or other collision repairs. For that you'll need another PPI from a body shop qualified by Jaguar to do aluminum repairs. As an alternative, you can ask the seller to give you a statement in writing that during the time of his ownership there has been no paint, bodywork, or collision damage repairs. That will give you recourse against the seller if he lied to you.
Never rely on CarFax to buy a car because they report only that which is reported to them and not everything gets reported. But you can rely on CarFax to NOT buy a car if you see something that raises a red flag.
Only you can do your due diligence. You'll be buying an XKR-S as-is, where-is, with no guarantees. Don't buy a pig in a poke; remember that a pig with lipstick is still a pig. Be a smart long-distance buyer and Good Luck!
Stuart
I recommend that you tell the seller after you reach a tentative price that the deal is contingent on a Pre Purchase Inspection at your expense that is done by a local Jaguar dealer. If the seller objects, run - don't walk - away. He has something to hide.
If he agrees, tell him that you will make the arrangements with that Jaguar dealer and will ask them to pick up the car and deliver it back to the seller after they complete the PPI. Note that the PPI is between you and the Jaguar dealer, and the seller has no right to see it unless you want to share it with him. Tell that to the dealer and ask him to do the PPI to the Jaguar Certified Pre-Owned checklist standards. Ask him to email the completed PPI Report, including the CPO Checklist and a detailed estimate of the cost of parts and labor for each item they found to be in need of repairs. You can use those costs to negotiate a lower price from the seller. If you don't already have a carrier to transport that XKR-S, ask the dealer for recommendations.
Note that the Jaguar dealer's PPI won't inspect for any paint or bodywork or other collision repairs. For that you'll need another PPI from a body shop qualified by Jaguar to do aluminum repairs. As an alternative, you can ask the seller to give you a statement in writing that during the time of his ownership there has been no paint, bodywork, or collision damage repairs. That will give you recourse against the seller if he lied to you.
Never rely on CarFax to buy a car because they report only that which is reported to them and not everything gets reported. But you can rely on CarFax to NOT buy a car if you see something that raises a red flag.
Only you can do your due diligence. You'll be buying an XKR-S as-is, where-is, with no guarantees. Don't buy a pig in a poke; remember that a pig with lipstick is still a pig. Be a smart long-distance buyer and Good Luck!
Stuart
I have bought several cars sight unseen just like you are. In general, I would look for cars that average priced for what they are; not the best deal in town examples.
Is this a typical level car the dealership would sell?
The dealership can take pics with paint depth meter and put the car on a lift with a tech and camera for you to have a conference call on. Have him go trough the underneath pulling on the suspension while on Facetime... You'll have the guy live going through the car. Plus you'll have paint measurements and ton of pictures. An XKRS is a special car and most likely owned by people who recognized and treated as such.
Seeing it on a lift is critical on any car IMO.
Is this a typical level car the dealership would sell?
The dealership can take pics with paint depth meter and put the car on a lift with a tech and camera for you to have a conference call on. Have him go trough the underneath pulling on the suspension while on Facetime... You'll have the guy live going through the car. Plus you'll have paint measurements and ton of pictures. An XKRS is a special car and most likely owned by people who recognized and treated as such.
Seeing it on a lift is critical on any car IMO.
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Hi Stuart,
Thank you for the info. I should have specified that it is actually at a jaguar dealership. So doing a PPI would have to be at another jaguar dealership haha. When i talked to the salesmen, he said it was a trade it but that was clearly a lie. I searched the VIN and looks like it went through another broker and ended up selling it at an auto auction and ended up at this particular dealership. I did request the inspection report when the dealership got it but they said they do not provide an official one since it is not under warranty. All he said was "the carfax is pretty accurate" . I dont know why a jaguar dealership cannot provide a service history if the car was serviced at a jaguar dealership.
Andrew
Thank you for the info. I should have specified that it is actually at a jaguar dealership. So doing a PPI would have to be at another jaguar dealership haha. When i talked to the salesmen, he said it was a trade it but that was clearly a lie. I searched the VIN and looks like it went through another broker and ended up selling it at an auto auction and ended up at this particular dealership. I did request the inspection report when the dealership got it but they said they do not provide an official one since it is not under warranty. All he said was "the carfax is pretty accurate" . I dont know why a jaguar dealership cannot provide a service history if the car was serviced at a jaguar dealership.
Andrew
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Andrew,
Never trust any car salesman, particularly one who tells you to rely on the CarFax. Good work tracing it back to the auction.
Many cars are sold at auction, so don't let that by itself stop you from buying it. Tell that salesman that you'll pay the dealership to do the Jaguar CPO PPI as I described. It should cost around $200. You don't need a separate Jaguar dealership. If they refuse to do it, ask why. Then put on your running shoes.
Stuart
Never trust any car salesman, particularly one who tells you to rely on the CarFax. Good work tracing it back to the auction.
Many cars are sold at auction, so don't let that by itself stop you from buying it. Tell that salesman that you'll pay the dealership to do the Jaguar CPO PPI as I described. It should cost around $200. You don't need a separate Jaguar dealership. If they refuse to do it, ask why. Then put on your running shoes.
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Another benefit to having them put it in writing is you may have some recourse if they misrepresented something. Also sales and fix operations are separate entities and it is to the service department's benefit to find things that need repair.
The main areas of concern however are mostly related to the engine - entire coolant system is prone to leaks, water pump failures and timing chain tensioner failure prior to the redesign. The service department should be able to advise whether these items have already been done or will need attention.
The main areas of concern however are mostly related to the engine - entire coolant system is prone to leaks, water pump failures and timing chain tensioner failure prior to the redesign. The service department should be able to advise whether these items have already been done or will need attention.
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Welcome to the forums Andrew,
Let me take a wild guess.
1. VIN is SAJWA4HAXDMB49613
2. Coupe
3. White
4. Mileage = 40,447
Graham
Let me take a wild guess.
1. VIN is SAJWA4HAXDMB49613
2. Coupe
3. White
4. Mileage = 40,447
Graham
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Over here across the pond we can call on likes of the AA (Automobile Association ) and the RAC both very large Organizations for car break down and other services , WE can call apon them to inspect a car that is for sale both from a dealer or a private sale , and they will give a Full check up of the vehicle . i have used this service in the past many times when buying a second hand car . good luck on the xkr-s sale
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Welcome to the forums Andrew,
Let me take a wild guess.
1. VIN is SAJWA4HAXDMB49613
2. Coupe
3. White
4. Mileage = 40,447
Graham
Let me take a wild guess.
1. VIN is SAJWA4HAXDMB49613
2. Coupe
3. White
4. Mileage = 40,447
Graham
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Andrew,
The photos all look good although I would have liked to see one from underneath with it up on a lift. As the same dealer also currently lists several other Jaguars under the CPO scheme, I would ask the question why does this one not qualify.
Service history is very important with any Jaguar. No one buys an XKR-S just for a gentle drive to church on Sundays so even more important with this model. With the relatively low mileage it should have been serviced on a time basis - every 12 months. The new front brake disk (rotor) in one of the photos and interior condition suggests well maintained.
About 2000 miles away from you? I drive that distance in two days going on holiday from northern England to southern Spain so nothing would persuade me to go for delivery rather than fly down and drive back.
Graham
The photos all look good although I would have liked to see one from underneath with it up on a lift. As the same dealer also currently lists several other Jaguars under the CPO scheme, I would ask the question why does this one not qualify.
Service history is very important with any Jaguar. No one buys an XKR-S just for a gentle drive to church on Sundays so even more important with this model. With the relatively low mileage it should have been serviced on a time basis - every 12 months. The new front brake disk (rotor) in one of the photos and interior condition suggests well maintained.
About 2000 miles away from you? I drive that distance in two days going on holiday from northern England to southern Spain so nothing would persuade me to go for delivery rather than fly down and drive back.
Graham
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Sorry if this is a double post. I tried to submit and then web browser went all wonky. The inspection is today. I was advised to address certain issues since the inspection can be vague in order to sell the car. I know jahummer said they are separate, service / sales but who knows how shady they are theses days.
I got from pointers from a website:Engine: The coolant pipes below the R’s supercharger can crack, leaking fluid over the gearbox. It’s an expensive fix. A mild noise from the supercharger is likely to be the nose cone bearing. High-milers can rumble like they’ve a bag of rocks in them. A reconditioned charger is the only cure. The 5.0-litre can suffer injector problems that destroy the engine. Poor servicing is at the root of it.
Transmission: The ZF ’box is sealed for life but a careful owner will have had it serviced at 80,000 miles using genuine ZF oil. On the propshaft, check for oil weeps from the input shaft seal to the diff.
Suspension, brakes and wheels: Replace worn bushes with stiffer Powerflex items. Check the adaptive suspension works. Make sure the electronic parking brake functions. Deep potholes can warp the 20in alloy wheels. Tyres are expensive so check their depth.
Body: Bubbling under the paint across the body, around the boot, the bottom of the doors and on the front wings is aluminium oxidisation. The area will need to be treated and resprayed. Check the operation of the bonnet, which has a pedestrian safety function
Interior: Check for damp footwells because the overflow drain from the air-con, located in the dashboard, gets clogged and leaks. The dashboard has to be removed to fix it. Redesigned drain in cars from 2009 on gives no trouble.
Also worth knowing
Although generally reliable, the XKR’s Eaton supercharger may start giving trouble from 50,000 miles. A shudder or clonk when turning off the engine is one indicator. To check, detach the drive belt and feel for sloppiness and clonking in the upper pulley.
Anything else I should add? Thank you all again!
I got from pointers from a website:Engine: The coolant pipes below the R’s supercharger can crack, leaking fluid over the gearbox. It’s an expensive fix. A mild noise from the supercharger is likely to be the nose cone bearing. High-milers can rumble like they’ve a bag of rocks in them. A reconditioned charger is the only cure. The 5.0-litre can suffer injector problems that destroy the engine. Poor servicing is at the root of it.
Transmission: The ZF ’box is sealed for life but a careful owner will have had it serviced at 80,000 miles using genuine ZF oil. On the propshaft, check for oil weeps from the input shaft seal to the diff.
Suspension, brakes and wheels: Replace worn bushes with stiffer Powerflex items. Check the adaptive suspension works. Make sure the electronic parking brake functions. Deep potholes can warp the 20in alloy wheels. Tyres are expensive so check their depth.
Body: Bubbling under the paint across the body, around the boot, the bottom of the doors and on the front wings is aluminium oxidisation. The area will need to be treated and resprayed. Check the operation of the bonnet, which has a pedestrian safety function
Interior: Check for damp footwells because the overflow drain from the air-con, located in the dashboard, gets clogged and leaks. The dashboard has to be removed to fix it. Redesigned drain in cars from 2009 on gives no trouble.
Also worth knowing
Although generally reliable, the XKR’s Eaton supercharger may start giving trouble from 50,000 miles. A shudder or clonk when turning off the engine is one indicator. To check, detach the drive belt and feel for sloppiness and clonking in the upper pulley.
Anything else I should add? Thank you all again!
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Your earlier post was automatically locked for moderation because of the included Autocar link. As the content was almost identical to post #13, I just deleted it.
The PPS (Pedestrian Protection System) to deploy the bonnet is a European requirement. It is not fitted to US spec vehicles.
Graham
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Andrew,
The photos all look good although I would have liked to see one from underneath with it up on a lift. As the same dealer also currently lists several other Jaguars under the CPO scheme, I would ask the question why does this one not qualify.
Service history is very important with any Jaguar. No one buys an XKR-S just for a gentle drive to church on Sundays so even more important with this model. With the relatively low mileage it should have been serviced on a time basis - every 12 months. The new front brake disk (rotor) in one of the photos and interior condition suggests well maintained.
About 2000 miles away from you? I drive that distance in two days going on holiday from northern England to southern Spain so nothing would persuade me to go for delivery rather than fly down and drive back.
Graham
The photos all look good although I would have liked to see one from underneath with it up on a lift. As the same dealer also currently lists several other Jaguars under the CPO scheme, I would ask the question why does this one not qualify.
Service history is very important with any Jaguar. No one buys an XKR-S just for a gentle drive to church on Sundays so even more important with this model. With the relatively low mileage it should have been serviced on a time basis - every 12 months. The new front brake disk (rotor) in one of the photos and interior condition suggests well maintained.
About 2000 miles away from you? I drive that distance in two days going on holiday from northern England to southern Spain so nothing would persuade me to go for delivery rather than fly down and drive back.
Graham
Searched the reason why this car is not a CPO. "All Jaguar CPO vehicles must be five years old or newer and have less than 60,000 miles to qualify." the car qualifies for mileage but not for age
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In the UK Jaguar are now using the phrase Approved Used which has the same checks and support but doesn't have the age or mileage limitation. Here's an example of a 2014 XK Dynamic R which qualifies:
https://used.jaguar.co.uk/search#/details/3040319
Prices over here are likely to bring tears to the eyes of our US members!
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Hi Stuart,
Thank you for the info. I should have specified that it is actually at a jaguar dealership. So doing a PPI would have to be at another jaguar dealership haha. When i talked to the salesmen, he said it was a trade it but that was clearly a lie. I searched the VIN and looks like it went through another broker and ended up selling it at an auto auction and ended up at this particular dealership. I did request the inspection report when the dealership got it but they said they do not provide an official one since it is not under warranty. All he said was "the carfax is pretty accurate" . I dont know why a jaguar dealership cannot provide a service history if the car was serviced at a jaguar dealership.
Andrew
Thank you for the info. I should have specified that it is actually at a jaguar dealership. So doing a PPI would have to be at another jaguar dealership haha. When i talked to the salesmen, he said it was a trade it but that was clearly a lie. I searched the VIN and looks like it went through another broker and ended up selling it at an auto auction and ended up at this particular dealership. I did request the inspection report when the dealership got it but they said they do not provide an official one since it is not under warranty. All he said was "the carfax is pretty accurate" . I dont know why a jaguar dealership cannot provide a service history if the car was serviced at a jaguar dealership.
Andrew
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so we finalized on a price of $45,869 USD out the door (car, tax, tags, doc and shipping). This is contingent on a CPO inspection and that I approve whatever screw ups are on the car. Interestingly enough, it was a "trade-in" from another whole sale dealer called auto world. I am just super nervous buying a car sight-unseen.. but hopefully this CPO inspection will cover it along with those items i laid out in my previous post.
Whats the communities opinion on the offer? Not too late to back out if I am over paying haha. Also, any other items i should make note of for the inspection is much appreciated! Thanks again for everyone's input and responses.
Andrew
Whats the communities opinion on the offer? Not too late to back out if I am over paying haha. Also, any other items i should make note of for the inspection is much appreciated! Thanks again for everyone's input and responses.
Andrew
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Did you overpay? The seller is a Jaguar dealer; he's a professional and you're an amateur. He wouldn't sell it to you if he didn't make a nice profit. Does that mean you overpaid?
Value is in the eyes of the buyer, and that's based on your due diligence.
Is the price fair? That depends on what "fair" means. Fairness is a biblical concept that originated with the story of Peter and Paul. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is always fair to Paul ... but you wind up with a sore Peter.
Value is in the eyes of the buyer, and that's based on your due diligence.
Is the price fair? That depends on what "fair" means. Fairness is a biblical concept that originated with the story of Peter and Paul. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is always fair to Paul ... but you wind up with a sore Peter.
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Make sure there's 2 SMARTKEYS and get it in writing that they both work.
The forums are littered with posts from new buyers about replacing missing Smartkeys which is both inconvenient and expensive.
Graham
The forums are littered with posts from new buyers about replacing missing Smartkeys which is both inconvenient and expensive.
Graham