XK / XKR ( X150 ) 2006 - 2014

A replacement battery delivery will take how long ......

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 12, 2020 | 03:14 AM
  #1  
GGG's Avatar
GGG
Thread Starter
|
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 120,439
Likes: 17,008
From: Durham, UK
Default A replacement battery delivery will take how long ......

My original VARTA battery from March 2014 (manufactured code 11/14) died suddenly on Thursday last week. It's been maintained on a CTEK whenever the car is garaged and six years isn't too bad. Interesting that it didn't deteriorate gradually but the failure was from one day to the next.

My Jaguar Dealer gives me 20% discount on batteries. They are always less than three months old and come fully charged so I don't bother going elsewhere. However, following the Covid-19 lockdown both at UK Dealers and the Factory, they didn't have a battery, no other dealer in the north of England had a battery, the JLR distribution centre in Frankfurt, Germany don't have batteries available and there's at least a FOUR WEEK delay on delivery to them from the OE manufacturer - VARTA in Germany.

Alternative brands were available locally but none of the premium ones. I managed to source a VARTA battery 150 miles away in North Wales and it was delivered overnight. The same supplier had 90aH and 100aH VARTA and the equivalent BOSCH available. 90aH is the OE specification but I went for the 100aH.

The experience allowed me to discover from the Dealer the answer to the "wet"/AGM battery question which has intrigued me for some time. As we have discovered on the forum, X150's can have either fitted by the factory and this is apparently due to availability rather than any technical necessity. Only Stop/Start Jaguars REQUIRE an AGM battery. Others can use EITHER. My research also revealed that VARTA and BOSCH batteries are produced in the same factory.

The easy way to avoid any BMS (Battery Monitoring System) or other calibration issues seemed to be simply to leave my CTEK connected during the battery switch. The only necessary precautions being ignition OFF, ensuring the terminals did not touch and the positive did not ground. It worked successfully and the only thing requiring a reset was the clock.

Graham
 
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2020 | 09:32 AM
  #2  
pk4144's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,395
Likes: 583
From: Los Angeles
Default

What is a "stop/start Jaguar?"
 
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2020 | 09:39 AM
  #3  
GGG's Avatar
GGG
Thread Starter
|
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 120,439
Likes: 17,008
From: Durham, UK
Default

The engine switches off when the vehicle comes to a stop at traffic lights etc. It then starts again when the accelerator is pressed. All designed to reduce emissions, fuel consumption and save the Planet. Our F-Type owning members really love that feature and usually disable it immediately.

Graham

 
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2020 | 10:31 AM
  #4  
Sean W's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 8,935
Likes: 4,742
From: USA
Default

Thank you Graham. This has come up several times for discussion regarding the attached TSB. There was never any rationale listed in the TSB so the running assumption has been the "alternator" was different. Thanks for the clarity!
 
Attached Files
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2020 | 03:28 PM
  #5  
pk4144's Avatar
Veteran Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,395
Likes: 583
From: Los Angeles
Default

Thanks! That makes perfect sense.
I've got a convertible, and I'm in LA, the land of stop/start traffic.... when the top's down, and I'm at a stoplight, I'd say i hear at least 5 or six engine start-ups when the light turns green. It's a very odd experience. And I always wonder: don't these starting motors burn out?
 
Reply
Old Aug 13, 2020 | 02:14 AM
  #6  
GGG's Avatar
GGG
Thread Starter
|
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 120,439
Likes: 17,008
From: Durham, UK
Default

Here's the Intelligent Stop/Start description from the 2013 F-Type Owner's Handbook. I thought the system strange when I first encountered it on an XF courtesy car from my dealer and it was one of the factors that decided me against changing my XK for an F-Type.




Vehicles with Intelligent Stop/Start are fitted with an AGM battery.

Graham
 
Reply
Old Aug 13, 2020 | 05:18 AM
  #7  
roger.grote's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 103
Likes: 11
From: Clacton On Sea Essex
Default

Hello Graham I use Battery Megastore, they useually get to you the next day
www.batterymegastore.co.uk
Hope that helps
 
Reply
Old Aug 14, 2020 | 06:51 AM
  #8  
Ruairidh's Avatar
Junior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 19
Likes: 5
From: Hampshire but Barbados some of the year
Default Jaguars ctek

Originally Posted by GGG
My original VARTA battery from March 2014 (manufactured code 11/14) died suddenly on Thursday last week. It's been maintained on a CTEK whenever the car is garaged and six years isn't too bad. Interesting that it didn't deteriorate gradually but the failure was from one day to the next.

My Jaguar Dealer gives me 20% discount on batteries. They are always less than three months old and come fully charged so I don't bother going elsewhere. However, following the Covid-19 lockdown both at UK Dealers and the Factory, they didn't have a battery, no other dealer in the north of England had a battery, the JLR distribution centre in Frankfurt, Germany don't have batteries available and there's at least a FOUR WEEK delay on delivery to them from the OE manufacturer - VARTA in Germany.

Alternative brands were available locally but none of the premium ones. I managed to source a VARTA battery 150 miles away in North Wales and it was delivered overnight. The same supplier had 90aH and 100aH VARTA and the equivalent BOSCH available. 90aH is the OE specification but I went for the 100aH.

The experience allowed me to discover from the Dealer the answer to the "wet"/AGM battery question which has intrigued me for some time. As we have discovered on the forum, X150's can have either fitted by the factory and this is apparently due to availability rather than any technical necessity. Only Stop/Start Jaguars REQUIRE an AGM battery. Others can use EITHER. My research also revealed that VARTA and BOSCH batteries are produced in the same factory.

The easy way to avoid any BMS (Battery Monitoring System) or other calibration issues seemed to be simply to leave my CTEK connected during the battery switch. The only necessary precautions being ignition OFF, ensuring the terminals did not touch and the positive did not ground. It worked successfully and the only thing requiring a reset was the clock.

Graham
I have the branded Jaguar ctek which uses a cigar lighter type fitting in the boot/trunk. So should I just leave that in with ctek powered on if I need to change battery?
 
Reply
Old Aug 14, 2020 | 07:46 AM
  #9  
SinF's Avatar
Veteran Member
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 6,986
Likes: 2,157
From: Canada, eh
Default

Interesting, I never heard of a battery failing suddenly.

My personal opinion is that keeping charger connected during battery swap is dangerous. My rationale - if anything goes wrong as you reconnecting the new battery there is one extra path for current to flow.
 

Last edited by SinF; Aug 14, 2020 at 07:49 AM.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Bill W
F-Type ( X152 )
55
May 23, 2024 05:19 PM
chazaroo
XK / XKR ( X150 )
21
Jan 2, 2023 09:24 PM
themorningman
XK / XKR ( X150 )
28
Mar 1, 2021 03:49 PM
nasomi
XK / XKR ( X150 )
4
Aug 13, 2017 09:16 PM
Paul Pavlik
XK8 / XKR ( X100 )
6
Apr 25, 2013 03:27 PM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:14 AM.